(06-11-2013 at 3:14 PM)
Users in chat seemed interested in this topic so here's your place to discuss!
Do you agree with his methods? Why or why not? Is he just a TV Face? Are there any other training methods you think are more effective? Any specific trainers who uses methods you like?
Please remember to be respectful! It's best to use credible sources to back up your side.
(02-26-2018 at 7:15 PM)
This is an old topic but, please never use any of Cesar's techniques. The "pack theory" is made up. Dogs are NOT Pack animals, and neither are wolves. A wolf pack is two parent wolves and their pups.
What Cesar does is make a dog so fearful that it shuts down. Most of the time when he gets bit or the dog reacts, he is the one that causes it. Using ANY of Cesar's techniques will actually cause the problems to worsen or you will end up with a fearful dog.
If you need help training your dog, look into positive training.
You can also PM me, I've studied canine behavior for 3 years.
(09-7-2016 at 1:39 PM)
I think he is just a TV face he just yanks dogs around on the leashes and makes their owners cry he also does the stab on the side thing and the "cht" thing whats that supposed to do?
|Catahoula Cur Breeder (#32019)|
(03-6-2015 at 8:09 PM)
I COMPLETELY agree with you!
(02-27-2015 at 5:54 PM)
His techniques are absoutley amazing. When I first got my dog I hadn't heard of him at the time and my dog was crazy. A few years later I began watching his TV shows and applied his techniques to my dog, a Great Dane/ Labrador Retriever mix, and they were amazing. All of a sudden he was walking great on leash, staying in the yard outside, coming when called and staying away from any food that was left out.
Since then, I've gotten another dog and I've used those techniques on her too, and she has responded to them nicely. She is a Border Collie/ Labrador Retriever mix and is very picky about other dogs, but with Cesar's ideas I have a way to keep her from dominating or resource guarding around other dogs.
On the other hand, I recently got a job at my local humane society, and it turns out that they base their dog training off of Cesar's ideas. They work great with some of the more unruly and dog aggressive shelter dogs.
So...yeah. I love Cesar's ideas and fully support them.
|Fluffy Horror (#602)|
(01-17-2015 at 5:43 PM)
I used his basic training theories (like Exercise, Discipline, Affection) and a few techniques in training my dog (the "tsst" noise, for example), and it worked out great.
My dog was a rescue who had gotten passed through four homes before he even turned two. He was pretty crazy, zero training, zero obedience, wasn't interested in people. As others have mentioned, the breed thing was a huge factor, I assume all the people who dumped him expected a quiet little lap dog out of a Papillon, which is NOT what they are. xD
He was my project and I had nothing but time to spend with him, and I'm proud to say that he's now a certified therapy dog. Using Cesar's theories on pack leadership and mimicking what dogs do in packs naturally worked really great for me and him. I don't do things like putting the dog on it's side or poking him to get him to heel on walks (I just stopped and turned in the other direction every time he pulled on the leash. Worked like a charm), but I do do stuff with body language and establishing dominance and ownership over food and toys, etc.
Once he was getting enough exercise, mental stimulation, affection, and boundaries, he settled down into a perfect dog. I do agility with him, he's a therapy dog, he knows 23 tricks and counting.
However, he's my first and only dog, so I don't know if Cesar's methods work for all dogs. I used his methods in moderation, and had nothing but time to spend working with my dog (long story, developed chronic illness), which I think was the most important thing, just putting time into interacting with him and building up our bond.
(01-17-2015 at 11:59 AM)
I cant talk. Hes horrible. Thats not training, thats abuse.
(12-10-2014 at 11:02 PM)
I personally have no problem with his techniques, as long as they aren't taken too far.
The dominance thing really does work. Go, watch dogs that are close to one another for a while. I had 3 dogs for a while, 2 Beagles and a Coonhound, and they all loved each other very much. They had a definite hierarchy, with Mr. Dog (one of the Beagles) on top and he would use force on the other dogs when they tried to challenge him. Once my roommate and I gave them an empty lasagna pan to lick the sauce off of, Mr Dog took it and started licking, Pinky (the Coonhound) came over and tried to take it and he grabbed her by the scruff of the neck, pinned her to the floor, growled and went back to eating. Pinky wasn't hurt or scared and nothing else happened, they all got a chance at the lasagna pan and everyone was happy. If dogs do it to each other, why shouldn't people be able to, as long as they aren't hurting the dog.
I've trained all my dogs with similar methods, and they were all very good dogs, even they were all rescues with really serious behavior problems when I got them. They all knew to sit on command, I could trust them all to walk off leash and stay right beside me, even in crowded places, they never begged, and they were generally well socialized and very loving dogs despite their past.
Just for reference, Mr. Dog had been feral most of his life (roughly 4-5 years), Pinky had been rescued from a puppy mill that was breeding "hunting dogs", and Daisy (the other Beagle) had been abandoned by her old owners and left to wander around the neighborhood when they moved.
As long as you remember to stay calm with this method, it works. If you're hurting the dog because you're angry it did something wrong, that's abuse, but if you're being calm and not hurting the dog, simply showing it that what it did was wrong, there's no real harm.
However, I do have to agree with Cat Steaks that him setting up the dogs to fail is wrong. Dogs should never be punished in any way for things you force them to do. Correct the behavior as it happens naturally, not because you caused it.
(10-24-2013 at 5:23 PM)
I love Caesar and watch him all the time. I have a dog with some issues himself, but he's okay. The kicking is okay with me, because everyone knows he's being gentle, although sometimes the dogs yelp because they weren't expecting it. Now if he hit the dog hard he wouldn't be a dog trainer, he'd be a dog abuser. Then the 'ssht' thing is just his trademark.
|Cat Steaks (#5484)|
(08-27-2013 at 7:24 PM)
I think the thing that most people don't take away from Cesar Milan's work is that... it isn't "progressive", like the dude isn't there for weeks or months working with this dog. It isn't "just looks like a quick fix but actually takes time", the guy visits for a bit (a few days) and manhandles dogs. The dogs are not fixed, he doesn't work them through their issues, he comes in for two days, bullies them, and people assume that he's there for longer than it appears.
(08-27-2013 at 5:18 PM)
I.... Can't handle this topic well. This guy just makes me so mad, for all the reasons that Cat Steaks has mentioned; Cesar is just a crazy man who bullies and abuses dogs in order to get "results". Anytime a friend mentions him I have to correct them, because I worry for their pets.
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