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Alacrity Economy.

This has been a topic for awhile and personally I'm glad to see some attempts to fix it come about. However, I could not help but wish when I saw the two choices for a third one. I have a third proposal, one that could possibly have a greater positive effect on the economy.

What I am proposing is to limit the upgraded accounts breeding. Now I have two upgraded accounts, that means I can breed as many times a month as I want. What I am suggesting it to limit it to a reasonably high number for upgrades. Say 10. That's more than two litters a week, most people do not breed that much, so it's probably fair. And it's still a huge benefit to upgrades.

Now before you don't support this, I ask that you hear out the problems with the other two, and why this one will work better.

There's been voice opposition for #2, the limited litter amount for bitches. There's the fact this would have a hugely negative impact on any custom dog or any dog you give a lifelong locket to. It also means your prized bitch will only be worth x number of litters, and the bitch you have just because she's cute and never plan to breed will have unused litter possibilities because she's low TP or inbred or whatever. Now I am assuming it's limiting to a fairly low number, like 10 per bitch, versus something like 35+ litters. 35 litters is a lot for a non-immortal dog. 10 is not a lot for a dog who will live several months.

The major problem with the alacrity economy, one that affects both suggested fixes, is people who overbreed. There are a few of them on Alacrity currently and personally limiting their breeding will ultimately curb most of the issues. They have 50 or more pups being sold at any given moment and they're selling them dirt cheap because of this fact. This undersells people who breed three or four times a month only and causes the problems we've seen. Even if we limit the breeding number for bitches, if you've got 20+ bitches at any given moment, it's still many, many litters. I'm not saying it isn't their choice to have that many dogs being bred at any one time, but I am pointing out that having unlimited breedings can cause this situation we're in with the economy. If they had a limit of 10 breedings per month, there would be less puppies being sold.

And carrying on to #1 offered by the quiz, if you have 20+ bitches, even if you have to wait 12 months ala time, you can still do a lot of damage to the alacrity economy. I have 34 bitches between my two accounts. Given 12 days between breedings, that means every month I could have 68 breedings. Since I breed large dogs, that could be anywhere from 204 to 272 pups born. I am not doing this. I breed, if I averaged it out, once every week or two. But I'm showing the potential damage of people who can and will do this.

Now even if there is only 5 people doing this essential overbreeding situation on Alacrity, that's about 1000 pups flooded into the market monthly that could have been prevented. 1000 pups that are sold dirt cheap by 5 people. That would be 1000 pups from other breeders that could be bought.

Limiting upgraded accounts breeding to 10 per month would mean any one person could only have tops of 40 puppies a month per account if they bred large dogs and got litters for 4. That's still a lot, but it's much less damage they could do any other way. The majority of breeders out there who are breeding selectively, are not breeding 10 times a month. They're breeding once week. This therefore seems reasonable to me right now.

Doing this will also limit overbreeding situations, or breeding purely as a means to make money. Everyone wants to make some money from their litters. But overbreeding means ways to make a ton of easy cash, even if you just put down half your pups.

So that is my two cents. I'm curious to opinions, especially from upgraded players. Do you feel limiting yourself to 10 breedings a month, for the good of the economy, hurt you? Or would you prefer the other options put out?

Edit: I'm not here to debate the benefits or negatives of low tp and breeding unmaxed dogs. Or that we should cull the lot below x tp. If you'd like to discuss that, perhaps another thread needs to be created. I'm curious as to what people think of my idea, if they're for or against it or if they think other options beyond the two Rob offered and what I offered ought to be put out there.

Edit2: I should clarify, 10 breedings between your bitches a month. Stud out your dogs to your hearts desire.

01-10-2011 at 6:40 AM

Breeding limits on accounts are treating the symptoms, not the problem. People overbreed to "make easy money" by punching out as many dogs as possible by abusing loopholes in the system. A few nasty loopholes need to be closed to stop overbreeding.I know some of this has been said already, but long thread is long and sleepy cat is sleepy. Count all duplicate information as "I agree with you". 1) All dogs breeding must have maxed stats A lot of overbreeders I have seen don't train their dogs. In fact, most of the "dirt cheap" dogs I have seen have under 100 TP due to untrained parents. This is a "trial dog" sim, so breeding only trained dogs makes sense and prevents things from degenerating into Wajas. 2) Remove the puppy kennel or allow only adult dogs to be sold. Unlimited dogs in one space is advertisement to overbreed. Remove the ability for the puppy kennel to be abused and there will be no more "sales accounts" full of overbred newborns for sale. 3)Cull all dogs with less TP than those sold by the "breeder" People won't like this, but it will instantly clear the market for "real dogs" instead of "wajas". This, I feel, is a needed reset to clear out the dogs nobody wants to buy anyway. With the poor quality dogs gone, prices will rise leading to more healthy breeding economy. Mix them all People will not be able to overbreed anymore as "quick money" as keeping and training the dogs will cost more than they make from selling. All the "wajas" have been cleared out. The strength of all breeds will improve now that only maxed dogs can breed. The value of dogs in general will improve.

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2011-01-09 22:57:43 by #5794

2011-01-09 22:55:05 by #5794

01-10-2011 at 6:38 AM

I'm not going to add it to it Working GSD, purely because I think that's a supplementary idea that could be implemented later. It's not really going to solve the economy problem, but it'd be a change. You're welcome to make a thread for it. And Lizzi I agree that they'd do the rollover thing for people who don't use it.

01-10-2011 at 6:33 AM

I wouldnt mind :) i highly doubt i would use 10 breedings a month :) since i only breed maxed dogs. Since unused breedings on basic accounts rollover to the next month, would it be the same for upgraded players? if thats the case i dont see how anyone would have a problem with it. Plus there is also that buy another breeding in the exchange bones area that people who want more could use to breed their dogs.

01-10-2011 at 6:26 AM

Hey ZJ you gonna add the no breeding till their basic is done to your plan or does someone need to open another? I haven't voted as of yet...do you think they will consider this?

01-10-2011 at 6:17 AM

Thank you and yeah, I haven't voted for that reason. I can't sell pups either, I have to put them at low, low prices to be competitive. This would hopefully fix that and mean you could sell your nice pups more.

01-10-2011 at 6:12 AM

I like your idea, ZJ, and now I wish I hadn't sent my vote. XD Most of my dogs are retired because people don't buy them, and they aren't half-bad either. *pouts*

01-10-2011 at 5:47 AM

Well, I'm still asking more about the overbreeding thing Kolo, do you think that having upgrades having limited breeding numbers would help you to sell your pets better?

01-10-2011 at 5:43 AM

Perhaps something like if a dog's TP is below x TP, the dog may run away, or an event will fine the breeder?

01-10-2011 at 5:31 AM

Winkle isn't related to Leben. but what im saying is that the higher TP dogs DO get bought faster than the low ones right? so if there where a way to say have a serton amout of the training compleated before they can breed, then maybe just maybe the people who are looking to buy will find the one there looking for. but defently message me when you get a GSD puppie from yours you would be willing to sell ZJ!!

01-10-2011 at 5:22 AM

Oh Jambers, that's for an entirely different reason. Pups over that TP tend to be seriously inbred. I cannot find one over 600 that isn't related to Leben, so people currently are trying to breed up new lines to breed to those dogs. You're just going to have to be a little bit patient. I'll be putting out some higher TP pups later this week probably.

01-10-2011 at 5:20 AM

ok i get that, but im also looking threw the market and its flooded with low low low tp dogs because people just wont train there pets. and i have no problem with healthy compatishion when selling pets. But ive been looking and looking for the perfect GSD to max out and breed with finn after his maxed out and i cant find ONE GSD with 700 TP or higher, not 1 ive been looking for two or three days now.

01-10-2011 at 5:13 AM

the thing reposted after i refreshed >.< then i accidently reported myself trying to delet it lol

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2011-01-09 21:15:05 by #8362

01-10-2011 at 5:06 AM

But I'm trying to point out Jambers it won't fix it. The majority of people flooding the market aren't the unupgraded players, it is the upgraded players. If you can only breed twice a month, you're only putting out 8 pups a month tops. If you have unlimited breedings, you could put out hundreds of pups a month. Your competition isn't these unmaxed unupgraded players, it's the upgraded players that are making it hard to sell your pups.

01-10-2011 at 5:03 AM

that was the topic at hand, you said you wanted to hear other optoions from other up[graded players, im a upgraded member, thats how i see it getting fixed. and yes i agree pay to play is unfair, but thats what they where saying earler it should be a nother "purk" for people with costomes to be exsampt. But i could deal with only getting 10 litters a month, i only have queen maxed so i only breed her.

01-10-2011 at 5:03 AM

I agree. Some people are wanting to breed for coat color alone and though I don't personally agree...the only thing that should be required is basic training before breeding with limited number of times you can breed in a month. This is also a site and game we what to attracked people too and to do that you can't demand a lot up front make them fall in love with the game and develop a passion for it..but by creating too many hard rules you will chase people away. it needs to be simple and achieve able with in a week or two to keep people interested.

01-10-2011 at 4:51 AM

No it won't Jambers. What I'm trying to point out is there is a large amount of dogs being bred that are maxed anyways. I can find 250ish TP puppies galore, which are from Maxed Parents. It won't fix the overbreeding situation in the least. And pay to play is unfair to those who do not have money. I myself am lucky I managed to get two upgraded accounts and I had to wait awhile before I did, as I get low wages and I have college loans to pay off. Other people here are high schoolers and have no money. Others are in similar situations to myself.

Edit: Anyways, the whole upgraded account/must have maxed dogs only to breed thing is really irrelevant to the issue of overbreeding, so I'd prefer if we could stick to the topic at hand.

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2011-01-09 20:54:16 by #1511

2011-01-09 20:53:41 by #1511

01-10-2011 at 4:45 AM

if people cant breed there dogs because they simply dont want to max them out it will level the market out witch is the gole i believe. and you dont have to worry about the costomes because they where saying costomes where going to be exsampt from the rules, so in my vew its swiching to a pay to play type deal, if your not willing or able to get a costome then you dont get to really play the game.

01-10-2011 at 4:41 AM

Working GSD: I think the basic training is a potentially good idea. You can't compete in trials without basic training, maybe making it as a requirement for breeding would enhance the importance of training. Nice.

01-10-2011 at 4:40 AM

It still will not fix everything Jambers, I have over 20 maxed females, look at how many pups I could have monthly if I bred them? Maxing a dog will not fix overbreeding or the influx. In fact, it would probably just stop breedings from most newer, unupgraded accounts, as they are generally the source for this type of breeding. In addition, those low TP pups don't generally get bought, high TP pups will, which is the reason yours will fair better being sold than a 64 TP pup. So you really have no worries from unmaxed competitors.

01-10-2011 at 4:38 AM

Hey ZJ. I agree I think it should be limited to how many breedings a Month you get type of thing. It will make people choose to breed better with out all the over crowding. And at least with a limited number of breedings once person can do it wont become like foopets. I would also throw in a suggestion that maybe basic training must be completed before breeding or be an active member for so long before you are able to breed. Don't know what you would think of that?

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