08-22-2011 at 4:57 PM

Ahh yeah you do raise some good points, Nitrous.

08-22-2011 at 4:44 PM

She previously went as Cervine Deity.

08-22-2011 at 4:40 PM

she changed her name, thats prob why you don't remember

08-22-2011 at 4:40 PM

I don't really subscribe to "eye for an eye" type punishments, but it's been widely acknowledged here that there's a rather serious problem.<br /> <br /> If a mod's done nothing wrong, what do they have to fear? I've interacted with many mods both in a disciplinary and social scenario where I didn't believe in the slightest that they were in the wrong for punishing me, and in fact was rather pleasant about it. What makes the difference is when a mod cannot assign punishments without being rude or overtly harsh. They have no place as an authority figure.<br /> <br /> It hurt <i>my</i> feelings when a mod posted my punishment publicly. It was written up on my scribbles. That is both against Ala's rules and never, ever necessary. <br /> <br /> I firmly believe that, along with the many, many other things both I and others have witnessed, warrants their permanent suspension from staff. <br /> <br /> However, our complaints have gone majorly unheard. A poll would be a way for players to anonymously point out where certain mods are at issue, and then the admins could decide from there what to do.<br /> <br /> There is a lot more power in dozens of players reporting misbehavior all in one place then there is in hundreds talking about it privately and mentioning it here and there in miscellaneous threads.

08-22-2011 at 4:38 PM

I don't believe I've received a message from Ly, and definitely not in a long time if one was ever sent.

08-22-2011 at 4:08 PM

Ehh I still think that it'd hurt the mods feelings. People are complaining that mods think of them as "one of the bad people".. well how would they feel if we had a list of who we thought was bad and good?

08-22-2011 at 2:44 PM

Read Wysp's thread. It was never intended for the mods to see them.

08-22-2011 at 10:31 AM

<i>"A mod evaluation poll would be lovely. But that would mean us critiquing people who are in charge of enforcing rules. And we clearly are just so not mature enough to handle it properly."</i><br><br>I don't support this at all. Wasn't someone just talking about mod-forms when a user gets a warning/ban/fine so that the users feelings don't get hurt? :S This has the potential to hurt a mods feelings.

08-21-2011 at 6:00 PM

Then one of the last things I'd say, now, is... well, to ask what exactly happened and what was exactly said, but I'm not certain whether that would be fine for me to ask, whether you would be alright with it, or what.<br /> <br /> Without hearing much about it, though, I'd be led to believe that your issue is something you're getting overly worked up about. Nothing against you, I swear, but that's just how it's currently sounding.

08-21-2011 at 5:56 PM

"...I would resort to reporting them directly to admins..."<br /> <br /> That's what I did. Those two long letters were both to admins. Two different admins actually. I'm not falsely accusing the mods of any of this. I have seen their lies firsthand.

08-21-2011 at 5:51 PM

"<i>A mod evaluation poll would be lovely. But that would mean us critiquing people who are in charge of enforcing rules. And we clearly are just so not mature enough to handle it properly.</i>"<br /> <br /> I wouldn't support the idea, but not because we aren't mature. It just sounds... ridiculous to me, but I can't currently explain why I feel that way, I can't come up with the words to do so.<br /> <br /> "<i>...I have reported. Many times. In long, thought out letters to admins, speaking respectfully to them. And I was responded to rudely and yelled at. I can't report any more for fear of being banned. That's basically how the last message sent to me sounded, in response to one of these letters. They don't care if you have proof. They'll still say you're in the wrong because you're a regular user. And the mods just can't be wrong now, can they?</i>"<br /> <br /> Two sides can be at fault. It can be the moderators, for failing to do their job properly; failing to respond appropriately. In this case, I would resort to reporting them directly to admins, or finally, Robyn herself - in some sort of suitable way... As I've said, it's an issue that's potentially very harmful to Alacrity. (Although, my not being a staff member or completely familiar with Alacrity here... I can't give complete, exact, "Do _" information on what to do - PM Robyn, issue hub, etc. So... Don't listen to me <i>exactly</i>. xD;)<br /> <br /> Or, it can be you- for misunderstanding, continuing to bring up an issue that is unnecessarily reported, and so on.<br /> <br /> Neither is pleasant. (And neither I'm certain of because I don't know the specifics of what was said -just for the record.)<br /> <br /> Staff, consider what we say; not everything is lies, rebellion and trickery, but if there is an actual issue, it's quite important you sort through it as soon as possible. It may be friends you're dealing with, or it may be something you'd greatly rather not do, but you still have an actual <i>job</i> to do, otherwise, you are not fit for the position you are in.

08-21-2011 at 4:48 PM

I don't think the worth of an item matters. What matters was that it was another user's item that was accidentally given away.

08-21-2011 at 4:29 PM

"Then we need to help by offering our input, suggesting ideas, and reporting bugs and other issues."<br /> <br /> That is what this, and the other thread were for. And the only thing that was even considered had almost nothing to do with what has been requested over and over again. <br /> <br /> It is <i>so</i> simple. The players have said it, some of the staff has said it. We need communication. <br /> <br /> All we are being offered is the same line of "Our staff hasn't done anything wrong. Please suggest how we can fix this." as if nothing has been mentioned.<br /> <br /> LISTEN TO WHAT WE ARE SAYING.<br /> <br /> I've been watching the other thread closely. A mod evaluation poll would be lovely. But that would mean us critiquing people who are in charge of enforcing rules. And we clearly are just <i>so not mature enough</i> to handle it properly.

08-21-2011 at 4:19 PM

...I have reported. Many times. In long, thought out letters to admins, speaking respectfully to them. And I was responded to rudely and yelled at. I can't report any more for fear of being banned. That's basically how the last message sent to me sounded, in response to one of these letters. They don't care if you have proof. They'll still say you're in the wrong because you're a regular user. And the mods just can't be wrong now, can they?

08-21-2011 at 4:13 PM

If you do not report their misbehavior, then nothing can be done to correct the problem; you doing nothing results in them doing nothing. It doesn't matter whether you feel as though it's pointless to report them or not, you should still report the issue with as much reasonable detail and proof as you can offer on the issue. Otherwise, you're helping to, unintentionally, harm Alacrity instead of helping; you're allowing a mod to behave (what you feel to be) incorrectly instead of sharing your unfair experience. At least with reporting, you've done what you can, and you can say so, too; your intentions were to fix something that was wrong, nothing more. And no one issue, especially of this sort, can be actually ignored for long, otherwise Alacrity would fall; players would not want to play with unfair staff, they would not donate, and so on. The threat is too great to risk it.<br /> <br /> If you don't report, then you have absolutely no right to complain. If you were treated unfairly, then do something about it. Holding a grudge, crying about it, and gossiping with one another solves <i>nothing</i>. Nothing will be done if you do nothing about it first.<br /> <br /> We want Alacrity to be better? Then we need to help by offering our input, suggesting ideas, and reporting bugs and other issues. It may not be our <i>job</i>, but if we want something to happen, we can't stay quiet and expect them to read our minds.<br /> <br /> And Ly, as obnoxious as it may be, proof is quite necessary.

08-21-2011 at 3:15 PM

I completely agree Ly, and also, I know 10-15 bones is alot, but Kit tried to tell me a scholar collar at that time was 70 bones, which is absolutely a falshood.

08-21-2011 at 3:09 PM

I'd just like to say that a lot of good suggestions seem to be ignored lately.<br /> <br /> The only one accepted is form letters, which makes the staff even less human to users. The fact that we need form letters and are reduced to it is something very sad on the staff's side.<br /> <br /> I seriously don't understand the favoritism among staff and why it is being allowed to run so rampant. To the point you can't say something slightly negative about Ala without being screamed at in chat. And I'm not saying bashing Ala. I'm saying if somebody says they aren't a fan of something, or on some cases even users saying they aren't sure of something. "I'm not sure how I feel about this." I've seen users yelled at for things like that.<br /> <br /> Also, stop yelling "proof" when half the time you don't give proof when warning players. Its like you expect us to take screenshots every five seconds to watch the mod's behavior. That's not our job. It is not the users job to moderate the staff. It also shouldn't be the users job to hate the staff. But it has been reduced to that.

08-20-2011 at 11:37 AM

I'm no mod and I'm not trying to be one, I would just like to give my input on this situation:<br><br><i>"2.scholar collars at that time were available for something like 10 or 15 bones."</i><br>That's still quite a lot, and regardless of the price, it was a mistake. If it wasn't a big deal to you that she accidentally sold the wrong dog and it was wearing a scholar collar, I can't see why there would be any hesitation to give it back. After all "they only sell for like 10 or 15 bones"<br><br> If I had accidentally sold a dog with items [even if they were cheap] and I asked for them back only to get a "no way", I would be extremely upset, would contact the Issue Hub and put that buyer on my no-sell list.<br>But I digress. I apologize for kind of derailing the thread.

08-20-2011 at 11:09 AM

@Nals Sure x] <br /> <br /> @Mac Although I do agree that it was her choice to call themselves that, but it does also depend on how you were treating her. We only have one side of the story and we can't judge based on that.<br /> <br /> Even if scholar collars were worth that much, not many users can afford that, not all people can donate that much or even save up enough to buy 1 bone, nevertheless 10-15. That's a LOT, I was lucky enough to find a kind user who gave me mine for free, I'd never be able to afford one otherwise.<br /> <br /> I don't think you can just put this on Kit, you haven't given us her side of the story, ie why she talked like that. Although she probably could have handled it a bit better, I'm sure there was a reason she felt the need to say that.

08-20-2011 at 10:32 AM

It was another user selling a dog that had the collar on it, not Kit's dog. this is part of the message she sent me AFTER I said I was returning the dog and collar for a refund. <br /> " In the event a drop menu mis-clicks for you and you need an expensive item retrieved, I imagine you will feel differently about what a worthless egomaniac I am. At that point it will be nice to read your apology, but unless that is the case or you need some sort of modding done only I can do, I'm going to have to ask that you cease contacting me, as we have no reason to visit upon each other socially."<br /> --------------------<br /> 1.I never called her a worthless egomaniac, that was her own words, I never posted that. 2.scholar collars at that time were available for something like 10 or 15 bones. 3 I never harassed her, simply said that I think I own the collar now but I am upset with what you have said to me, so I give up and am giving both back for a refund.