06-8-2011 at 7:24 PM

Wait, wait, wait. The Wiki? Are you using Wikipedia for your information? ....You do realize that there is a reason teachers don't let students use Wikipedia as a source right? Because half the time its full of crap.XD<br /> <br /> I find that EXTREAMLY funny Cervine, expeclley since the defanition you gave, came straight from the Wiki itself. If i said the sky was blue at this point i believe you would go no its not its orange.

06-8-2011 at 7:44 AM

so now that that has been cleared up, i don't think psychopaths should be brought into this again, im Terribly Sorry it Offended so many people, that never should have happened. if you mean a person who Knows the Difference between right and wrong but doesn't care, i think Serial Killer would be a more suitable, and nonoffensive, term.

06-8-2011 at 7:41 AM

first off, im seeing many Great responses on both sides. i appraise Nitrous and Jambers strong arguements. and ****now to adress this Psycho businness:::***** a person who has a mental illness and killed someone because in they're corrupt mind (which isn't their fault) seems right, Or has an episode and is not in controll of it Certainly does Not deserve to go to jail, let alone be excuted. they need a facility that helps them cope, them control it, live with it, understand. psychos that Do Know the Difference Between Right and Wrong but simply do Not Care,,, that is Twisted. if they're up to fight it and admit theyre wrong and rehibilate then jail and facility time will be fine, but if they don't want to admit it, that the difference between right and wrong Matters, then execution should be enforced. i think that sums that up. there are two types of psychotic murders::: those who don't know better, and those who Do no better, but are so twisted they dont care

06-8-2011 at 7:34 AM

Jambers, Wikipedia articles are written by everyday people, not necessarily professionals who have actually studied the subject matter.<br /> <br /> Also, psycopath does not automatically equate with "killer." A person can be psychopathic without ever harming another human being in their entire lives, or even have any kind of criminal record.<br /> <br /> Either way, a person's mental state, if anything, depending on the situation, holds them less responsible for their actions. It doesn't mean they can't be held responsible by society, but I also don't feel that anyone "deserves" the death penalty. I believe in life imprisonment, and/or lifelong therapy and attempted rehabilitation for extreme cases. <br /> <br /> There is no love, compassion, or understanding in killing a human being because of crimes they've commited. One death doesn't atone for the other. You just have another dead body. <br /> <br /> The only time deadly force is appropriate, to me, is in self defense, or the defense of your family/property, where you're stuck in a situation where those things are being threatened, and you have no other choice but to act in defense. And even then, just the act of killing someone, even in self defense, can be very traumatic, so it ought to be a very last resort.

06-8-2011 at 5:48 AM

Wait, wait, wait. The Wiki? Are you using Wikipedia for your information? ....You do realize that there is a reason teachers don't let students use Wikipedia as a source right? Because half the time its full of crap.XD

06-8-2011 at 5:12 AM

just because the information being provided to you doesn't line up with your preconceived ideas.<br /> <br /> It says so right there the information given to me. I looked up the defanition myself, posted what it said. Went and looked up another defanition, posted what IT said as well. From the defanitions provided it seems more like a personality disorder. It says in the defination its often confused with a psychopath disorder. The Wiki has the earlest difanition i provided.<br /> <br />

06-8-2011 at 3:36 AM

Jambers, as someone who took a Psychology course in college, I can say that the class didn't teach much. Unless you're actually majoring in Psychology, if you are taking a class just as a side requirement, you definitely are not learning anything that qualifies you to make any sort of diagnosis or claim you know anything about the subject that's of real substance.<br /> <br /> Also, as someone who has been to psychologists and psychiatrists throughout life, and the fact Geist is my husband, and he's been through therapy for far longer than myself, and we both have experience with actual individuals, being family and friends, with ASPD, bi-polar disorders, anxiety disorders, and various other problems, please...trust us when we say, you are confusing terms, and you definitely don't stand on any sort of solid ground trying to tell Geist he or anyone else has been "misdiagnosed" just because the information being provided to you doesn't line up with your preconceived ideas.<br /> <br /> If folks want to debate what is and isn't a psychopath, maybe start a new thread. Otherwise, maybe this thread needs to get back on topic.<br /> <br /> As for the death penalty, I really don't believe one person's death solves anything. Life in prison without the possibility of parole is, to me, the more severe and deserved punishment. The person or people that person killed are gone forever, they aren't suffering, but the families and friends left behind are the ones who suffer the most. They have to live with what was taken away from them, so I feel that the killer ought to be made to live with what they've done.<br /> <br /> What also has to be taken into consideration is the circumstance of the killing. If it was involuntary manslaughter, a killing that happened by accident, I definitely wouldn't put anyone to death for that. While it might have happened because of something reckless a person was doing, they weren't out to voluntarily kill anyone. It doesn't mean they shouldn't face any consequences at all, but again, killing them solves absolutely nothing.<br /> <br /> Plus, there are petty killers who grew up living a life surrounded by theft, drugs, and death, so it's the only way they've ever known. There are prisons in the UK, I think, that actually do try to rehabilitate such people, train them and show them a better way to live, and several of them go on to never repeat the behaviors that landed them in prison to begin with. It also gives them the opportunity to look back with true and powerful remorse for what they've done, because they're finally able to realize just how much it impacted other people in a negative, and even life-changing way. Living with regret is a far more equal penance, I feel, then just sending someone to their death so that you can feel some sort of satisfaction of revenge. <br /> <br /> And, of course, there are the people who can not be rehabilitated, people who kill just because they can, because there's something wrong with them that can't be fixed. They either belong in lifelong therapy, or, spend the rest of their lives in prison, kept safely away from the general populace.<br /> <br /> To support the death penalty, in my opinion, is selfish and closed-minded, not to mention to turn a blind eye to the -innocent- people who have been wrongly convicted and sent to die all because of a mistake. <br /> <br /> There was even a man who spent years in prison because he was falsely accused ofwhoa there, because the woman who picked him out of a lineup did not have the emotional capacity at the time to put more thought into her choice. To her, he looked so similar that he had to be the rapist who hurt her, he missed years of his life with his wife and his son. All those years were taken away from him, because of a single mistake. And, at the end of it all, when his innocence was finally proven and he was released, he forgave the woman because he knew the experience had to be traumatic for her, and that she was in no way intentionally sending an innocent man to prison, forcing him to miss his son growing up, throwing him into the company of real rapists, drug dealers, and killers.<br /> <br /> So, before making absolute judgements, you always have to consider the numerous past cases of innocent people's lives being ruined, and innocent lives being snuffed out for the sake of vengeance or "capital punishment." It solves absolutely nothing.

06-8-2011 at 2:40 AM

Well, then you should have actually paid attention in that class because you have no clue what you are talking about and are completely screwing up everything you are saying about mental disorders and the like.

06-8-2011 at 2:38 AM

Have you ever had any type of psychology class? I would bet not, because if you had, you would know that not all people classified as psychopaths are violent.<br /> <br /> Wow you just lost a bet! Yeah i took Psyc. 101. <br /> You should stop makeing bets on stuff you have no clue about, like my life.

06-8-2011 at 1:35 AM

Jambers. Just because Ted Bundy was a psychopath does not mean every psychopath is a serial killer. That is what I'm trying to say. You're talking about Antisocial Personality Disorder. Which does NOT generally result in serial killers, either, and which I <i>do not have.</i> Some confusion is running amok here.<br /> <br /> Someone in here used <u>psychosis</u> to refer to <u>psychopaths</u>, which are in no way whatsoever the same thing. The two words being so incredibly similar is resulting in a lot of bewilderment. Even on my behalf, and I endure psychosis itself, haha.<br /> <br /> But no, people with APD don't generally go axe murderer either, sorry, and they certainly do not deserve to be sentenced to death because of a mental disorder. They can be wonderful people, albeit generally aloof and distant. I've dealt with people with APD first-hand.

06-8-2011 at 12:07 AM

Yes, Jambers. Because you are better at diagnosing any type of mental disorders about someone you barely know over the internet. Have you ever had any type of psychology class? I would bet not, because if you had, you would know that not all people classified as psychopaths are violent.

06-7-2011 at 11:47 PM

Both of you are blowing that way out of proportion. The top entry for "psychopathy" on dictionary.com is "A mental disorder in which an individual manifests amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc." <b>A mental disorder in which an individual manifests amoral and antisocial behavior.</b> Antisocial: "unwilling or unable to associate in a normal or friendly way with other people; antagonistic, hostile, or unfriendly toward others; menacing; threatening: an antisocial act; opposed or detrimental to social order or the principles on which society is constituted." <br /> <br /> If that doesn't clear it up for you, maybe this will. I've always associated the term "psychopath" with a person who is truly (and often violently) insane, not someone suffering from, say, depression. <br /> <br /> Did I <i>once</i> say that everyone with a mental illness should be slaughtered? No. I said (in relation to the death penalty - something reserved for criminals): "If there is no chance of rehabilitation" (i.e. if someone is truly beyond help). And even that should come only after a thorough investigation and, heck, even an attempt at rehabilitation. Remember, this topic is about the <b>death penalty</b>. Only "criminals" receive the death penalty. If someone with a mental illness is even facing the death penalty, it's because they've been convicted of a (usually violent or at least serious) crime (rightly or wrongly convicted is not for me to decide).<br /> <br /> I suffer from anxiety (social and otherwise), I've got family members who suffer from anxiety, depression, and bipolar disorder, and a variety of other mental ailments, so for you to insinuate that I want these people to be killed is highly offensive. <br /> <br /> And Nitrous - don't call me Rooster. My username is Roo. Rooster is something only my close friends are allowed to call me, and I haven't known you long enough for that yet.

06-7-2011 at 11:40 PM

A person suffering psychosis does NOT a serial killer make.<br /> <br /> Ted Bundy, psycopath I personaly wish i would have been around to throw the swich my self on that one.<br /> <br /> The prototypical psychopath has deficits or deviance in several areas: interpersonal relationships, emotion, and behavior.[13] Psychopaths gain satisfaction through antisocial behavior, and do not experience shame, guilt, or remorse for their actions.<br /> <br /> by your last post you are not suffering on the turms of Psychopathy. More than likely a personality disorder, badly Misdiganoced.

06-7-2011 at 11:33 PM

Actually, I would rather have my tax dollars go towards people rotting in prison than towards legalized murder. I refuse to support legalized murder. They are people too. And you may not be killing them, but you are asking for them to be killed. You are no different than them if you have a desire to see and hear about other human beings being murdered. <br /> <br /> Actually, our police system IS that corrupt. I'm not hugely involved in law, and I know that wasn't directed at me but at the top of the ladder, the police system is very corrupt. Not all police personally are, but the system is.<br /> <br /> Actually, here is the definition for psychopath:<br /> <br /> "Also called: sociopath a person afflicted with a personality disorder characterized by a tendency to commit antisocial and sometimes violent acts and a failure to feel guilt for such acts."<br /> <br /> And considering most people have different ways of classifying psychopaths, that's not something to go on. Not all people with psychopathic tendencies turn violent in the end. True, it's often expected and does happen it's not a complete constant. You cannot depend on the people who do turn violent<br />

06-7-2011 at 11:31 PM

Too sarcastic, editing before a mod does it for me.

06-7-2011 at 11:30 PM

The "psychosis" thing disgusted and horrified me past the point of a real, coherent reply. A person suffering psychosis does NOT a serial killer make.<br /> <br /> <i>I have psychotic episodes</i>. I guess I deserve to die for mental disorders I was born with, even though I fight every day to control them.

06-7-2011 at 11:17 PM

If you think they should be killed as well, it puts you on their level.<br /> <br /> no because i am not killing anyone, i think it SHOULD be allowed in all states for people who go around killing people. <br /> <br /> You are sinking down to their level by saying that their life is so worthless they deserve to die.<br /> <br /> I not ONCE said there life was worthless, dont put words in my mouth. I said that where lacking in human emotions if they can kill people. <br /> <br /> No, people shouldn't murder, and some people are evil, this has been established. It does not mean they deserve to die.<br /> <br /> No insted they can sit on death row and suck up our tax dollars...so much better than doing away with them. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> . Do you honestly believe they give two craps what happens to the guy on the stand? <br /> <br /> Ive been called for Jury Duty 2 times now. Its done very carefuly. There are first MORE jurers needed than called, the defence AND the plantive BOTH get to choose the jury. They get a choice on who will be judgeing them. <br /> <br /> Doesn't matter much to them whether they got the right guy. In their eyes, "we got 'em." And they can return to business as usual. <br /> <br /> Wow ok our police system is not THAT corrupt. Are you shure you want to go into law if thats your vew on it?<br /> <br /> Shouldn't they be put to death as well? Who says they have the right to kill people and you don't?<br /> <br /> Umm The LAW<br /> <br /> and clear up the systems of innocent people BEFORE we start executing the masses because you don't want to have to pay miniscule taxes.<br /> <br /> Its amazing how you speak of inacent people and yet have no issues with killing a unborn child. <br /> <br /> What exactly deems someone a "psychopath"? <br /> <br /> Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age 50 or so, then tapers off.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_2.htm"> Click for the meaning of Psychopath </a>

06-7-2011 at 9:59 PM

Completely, totally, 100% against death. There are several widely known cases of people being put to death who were later proven innocent. There are even more cases of people waiting on death row that got off just in time when new evidence proved that person being the culprit was impossible.<br /> <br /> Justice isn't a perfect system. I'll be going to law school, I've participated in mock trial and moot court for years. I know how easily a jury can be swung with the right wording even when all the evidence points otherwise. Remember, the people who do the actual convicting are average Joes. You get called in off the street for Jury Duty, and you've pretty much just got to do it. Watching a case presentation is like watching paint dry. These aren't highly trained professionals. They probably get bored, doze off, day dream. These are people with lives to get back to and priorities. Do you <b>honestly</b> believe they give two craps what happens to the guy on the stand? <br /> <br /> The primary motivators of conviction are conscience and money. When an attorney proves someone is guilty, they get <i>money</i>. When a police department catches a "killer", people get promoted and paid. When a jury or police department has someone sentenced to death for allegedly killing dozens of people, they sleep better at night. Doesn't matter much to them whether they got the right guy. In their eyes, "we got 'em." And they can return to business as usual. <br /> <br /> Until the justice system is perfected (which will be never) you cannot in all righteousness allow a death penalty because you <i>believe</i> someone did something wrong. <br /> <br /> What about the Government and executioners? Technically they're even more guilty then the person convicted of committing the crime. Shouldn't they be put to death as well? Who says they have the right to kill people and you don't?<br /> <br /> As they say, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. <br /> <br /> You said, in your own post "let's just murder them", that's not justice. That's barbarism. How about we let some of the more superficial %#$@ go (weed, etc.) and clear up the systems of innocent people BEFORE we start executing the masses because you don't want to have to pay miniscule taxes. <br /> <br /> And Rooster, I'm a little bit concerned for your indiscriminate remark about "psychopaths". I've been to a mental hospital for a bout of depression. I had an ex label me a "psychopath" just for being there, independent of our relationship. What exactly deems someone a "psychopath"? Should anyone clinically diagnosed with a mental disorder, depression or anxiety be killed? We're delving into Nazi eugenics now, and that's dangerous territory. What act does someone have to commit to be suffering from psychosis in your opinion? There are lots of different forms of psychosis, such as bipolar disorder, schizophrenia and depression. Most people suffering from these are nonviolent, especially with medication. Do they die, too? Please elaborate.

06-7-2011 at 8:24 PM

No they aren't. They are still human. Also, not all murder is the same. Some people kill someone on accident, some people kill in self defense. Should they be killed as well? No. Some people have emotional/mental disorders and kill due to that. Which I don't even think people like that should be in prison, they should be in psychiatric facilities and try to be rehabilitated. (Well, everyone should be rehabilitated, but I'm in a rush cause I have to leave soon and I need to type this up.)<br /> <br /> If you think they should be killed as well, it puts you on their level. You are sinking down to their level by saying that their life is so worthless they deserve to die. No, people shouldn't murder, and some people are evil, this has been established. It does not mean they deserve to die.

06-7-2011 at 5:04 PM

I say people who have murdered one or more people should get the death penelty and it should be done quickly. Our jails are over-crouded as is, last thing we need is the 6th or 7th appeal from a serial killer takeing up space. Just kill them and get it over with. Rehabulitation only works with someone who under stands human emotions. If there running around killing people, there laking in that department.