07-7-2011 at 4:25 AM

So, basically you're saying screw all gay men, their love isn't as equal or important as yours? Don't try to correct me, because that is basically what you are saying.<br /> <br /> Also, genderqueer:<br /> "Genderqueer (GQ) and intergender are catch-all terms for gender identities other than man and woman. People who identify as genderqueer may think of themselves as being both man and woman, as being neither man nor woman, or as falling completely outside the gender binary."<br /> <br /> I identify as genderqueer in the sense that I fall completely outside the gender binary. There's a reason I identified as trans for a while. Because I would feel so much more comfortable as a male than I do as a female. But I'm not going to transition, and I do have occasional times where I feel like the term "female" fits my identity, but I usually use the term "masculine genderqueer" because it fits me better, but that's a different story.

07-7-2011 at 4:21 AM

"...don't actually identify as that..."<br /> No, they would also have to identify as female. I said so in my last post.<br /> <br /> If they phisically and mentally are female and they marry a male, it qualifies as a male/female relationship.

07-7-2011 at 4:19 AM

Also, so you're saying that all gay men have to do is have transition surgery to become female, even though they don't actually identify as that? Really? Wow. That's just horrible.

07-7-2011 at 4:18 AM

"All I know is that there are three genders/sexes: male, female, and herm."<br /> <br /> ....Get a dictionary! Seriously. Please and thank you. Would save us all a lot of trouble. And not all trans men/women transition. There is a difference between sex and gender.

07-7-2011 at 4:17 AM

"I haven't had transition surgery."<br /> <br /> If you haven't had the transition surgery, then what qualifies you as a trans man?<br /> <br /> All I know is that there are three genders/sexes: male, female, and herm. If you have a transition surgery and you identify with the same gender that belongs to your body, then you should be able to marry the oposite sex.<br /> <br /> Example. A gay man has a transition surgery and his sex is now female. He (now she) also identifies as female. She can now marry the man she loved even when she was a male. Or she can chose to marry any man she wants to.

07-7-2011 at 4:09 AM

I haven't had transition surgery.

07-7-2011 at 4:09 AM

Wow. You don't have a clear understanding of gender then. What you just described was sex. My sex is female. My gender is genderqueer. (Also, google is your friend in these situations.) There is a difference between the two. Sex is the physical construct. Gender is the mental one.

07-7-2011 at 4:07 AM

"Actually, that makes me curious. I identify as genderqueer. Used to identify as trans (god I hate gender identity sometimes.>.>), what about me then? I don't identify as a specific gender. Am I not allowed to marry anyone at all then?"<br /> <br /> I'm not even sure I know what a "gender queer" is. You are what you were born to be unless you have a transition surgery.

07-7-2011 at 4:04 AM

Actually, that makes me curious. I identify as genderqueer. Used to identify as trans (god I hate gender identity sometimes.>.>), what about me then? I don't identify as a specific gender. Am I not allowed to marry anyone at all then?

07-7-2011 at 3:57 AM

Those are honestly the replies I expected. <br /> <br /> You can't just let me slide through the gate because I live and identify as male and then slam it in the face of everyone else because you don't approve of their way of life and how <b>they</b> identify. My personal identification runs just as deep as theirs does- they can't stop loving the people they do anymore than I can stop identifying as a man. Or as much as I can stop myself from caring for both males and females- I am bisexual, too, after all. I have absolutely no gender-barrier for my affections, and I've been this way all my life. <br /> <br /> I don't even want to be married in a church, I have no religion, so it isn't a matter of that. Christianity does not own the concept of marriage, it existed before that religion was even born. We've proven that reproduction is as flimsy an argument as a piece of tissue paper. We've also proven that male/female parent couples hold about as much weight. So, what has it been reduced to? How much it grosses you out personally? That's all I'm seeing this being reduced to.. And all I'm really seeing from you, now that every one of your arguments have been torn to shreds.<br><br>

07-7-2011 at 3:51 AM

"No, not at all. You identify as male, and I'm assuming your girlfriend identifies as female, so I think this is ok, even if you weren't born male."<br /> <br /> So it's just the full on homosexuals you have a grudge against, huh? What happened, did a mean, scary gay man pop a balloon of yours when you were young or something?<br /> <br /> "Not at all. You have no right to tell me what I do and do not think and/or support."<br /> <br /> Even if it's true? That's exactly what any anti-human rights person comes across as to me. If I fall in love with a woman and can't marry her, I am not allowed to visit her on her deathbed because I am not actually related to her by blood or MARRIAGE. I deserve that right. Everyone deserves the right to be there in those moments. I don't care if they are male/male, female/female or male/female. We all deserve that right. And you are standing between me and that right.

07-7-2011 at 3:44 AM

Kira, I'm not telling you what you think, but I am telling you what you are supporting if you support anti-gay marriage. Whether you believe non-hetero couples should be able to receive tax benefits and be allowed to be together in the hospital during life-threatening situations if irrelevant. If you support the laws, you are, in turn, supporting this gross infringement on the rights of these people.<br /> <br /> You can feel however you want to, but your -opinion- should never strip other people of their rights.

07-7-2011 at 3:40 AM

"That is exactly the message every person who supports the ridiculous laws currently in place preventing non-traditional marriages."<br /> Not at all. You have no right to tell me what I do and do not think and/or support.

07-7-2011 at 3:40 AM

07-7-2011 at 3:36 AM

There is no logical, rational reason to keep any human being from marrying another human being, and denying them the same tax benefits that go along with it. Because that's what you're doing when you tell people they can't get married for a "religious" or "moral" reason. You are telling them "you are sub-human and beneath me and do not have the right to the same tax benefits I have a right to. You also do not have the right to be with your partner in the hospital, even if they're on their death bed, and you also don't get to claim their body in the event that they die because I think the way you conduct yourself sexually is icky."<br /> <br /> That is exactly the message every person who supports the ridiculous laws currently in place preventing non-traditional marriages. You are directly looking down at people not like yourself and putting them on a level lower than yourself.<br /> <br /> Is it any wonder there is such a staggering percentage of hate crime around the world, against non-hetero couples? You've reduced them to sub-humans, instead of counting them as equal human beings.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Stages_of_genocide.2C_influences_leading_to_genocide.2C_and_efforts_to_prevent_it">Click here</a>.

07-7-2011 at 3:36 AM

"Are you telling me that I don't deserve to be able to walk into a courthouse with my girlfriend and get a marriage licence?"<br /> <br /> No, not at all. You identify as male, and I'm assuming your girlfriend identifies as female, so I think this is ok, even if you were born male.<br /> <br /> Edit: I meant weren't

07-7-2011 at 3:36 AM

"Are you telling me that I don't deserve to be able to walk into a courthouse with my girlfriend and get a marriage licence?"<br /> <br /> I'm saying it's not what I believe in. As for whether or not you "deserve" it, I can't judge for sure.<br /> <br /> [edit]<br /> To clarify things, I would allow a trans man and a female to be married. But not a male and male or a female and female.

07-7-2011 at 3:32 AM

Please answer my question. It was very direct. I want you to answer this as close to face to face with me as is possible in an internet conversation.<br /> <br /> "Are you telling me that I don't deserve to be able to walk into a courthouse with my girlfriend and get a marriage licence?"

07-7-2011 at 3:28 AM

....Really. You are demeaning me again. If it's not a requirement to have kids in marriage, and we're already overpopulated, why the hell can't I get married to another woman?<br /> <br /> Also, opinion...there's that word again. Give me facts. That is what a debate is about. FACTS.

07-7-2011 at 3:27 AM

<i>"n my opinion, male and female should be able to marry, regardless if they have kids or are able to. The way I see it, male and female are supposed to be together because they can have kids, not that they have to."</i><br /> <br /> Again, marriage is about LOVE, not whether or not they can have KIDS. <br /> <br /> Also, as pointed out, this isn't the place for just opinions. Please back up your arguments, it's called a debate for a reason. We debate why it's right or wrong. It isn't a place to just pop in and say "THIS IS WHAT I THINK BECAUSE I THINK SO." and that be it.