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Ashton ❄
#5636 • 3936 views
Posted: 2012-01-21 03:57:17
#10169
So, you want a wolfdog?
As someone who owns a mid-content wolfdog, I feel that I have a responsibility to lay down the facts about what it's like sharing your home with one of these animals.
I've seen far too many people with unrealistic expectations - owning a wolfdog is NEVER without complications, never without struggles, and NEVER without suffering. Believe me.
I am far from an inexperienced dog trainer - I've been training dogs since I was 7 years old, and it's been a passion of mine ever since. I specialize in working with dogs with dominance and aggression issues, and I've never met a dominant dog that I couldn't turn into a pile of pudding by the end of a training session. (This includes APBTs, rottweilers, GSDs and many other big, strong, energetic breeds with a ton of fight drive.)
This being said, nothing could have prepared me for the challenges I face as a wolfdog owner. You think your husky mix is stubborn? Think again.
Wolfdogs are by far the most stubborn, stuck up BRATS on the face of the earth. Your wolfdog will do things for the sole purpose of testing you to see if they can get away with it. While it is true that most dog breeds will exhibit this sort of behavior as puppies, the difference here is that a wolfdog will never stop. They constantly test to see if there is a possibility of them gaining the upper hand and becoming the alpha.
Say your wolfdog takes a shoe (or coffee table, your pick) out back and chews it to shreds, because he or she was bored. Your first reaction is to go punish them for it. Now, not only do they growl in your face when you try to go near them, they do it again the next day with a different shoe/household item. If you plan to own a wolfdog, you can pretty well expect to get growled at, and maybe even bitten by them. I've never been bitten by my boy, but that's because I know how to approach him.
You can never have a wolfdog fully trained. That is a fact, and it is a hard fact. If you are expecting a pet that will be your baby and listen to everything you say, please consider looking into getting a dog from a shelter and save yourself the agony and disappointment of an animal who is unruly and full of himself.
I have spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours doing rigorous obedience training with Motyka. Does that mean he listens to me all the time? Absolutely not. Wolfdogs are never going to conform to your absurd human lifestyle, and they are never going to be the perfect house pet. Why? Because they aren't house pets! They are very much independent animals and they will never see you as their sole provider. They will not become attached to you in the same ways that a normal dog would.
Also, be prepared for an animal that has extreme prey drive towards anything with feathers, fur, or hooves. Do you or your neighbors own livestock? Cows? Sheep? Goats? Chickens? How about horses? If so, refrain from getting a wolfdog.
Do you have children or siblings under the age of 16? Are you yourself under the age of 16? Do you own cats or small dogs? How about hamsters, or other pet rodents? Don't get a wolfdog.
Now, there are exceptions to every rule; our wolfdog loves our cats and considers them his best friends - they even wrestle together - but that is NOT the norm for these dogs, and we brought the cats in for a "test run" with him before officially adopting them. Additionally, for the first 6 months, he was not allowed to be alone with them in any part of the house, because these animals, like any other wild animal, can be unpredictable.
Another point I would like to bring forth is, can you handle the size of a wolfdog? Are you physically capable of restraining 120 - 150 pounds of extremely strong, determined wolf from going after that child/small dog/cat/rabbit/bird/what have you? I am a very firm believer that owning any animal you cannot physically control is absolutely 100% irresponsible and dangerous.
My wolfdog is absolutely tiny - he is the smallest you will ever see. He only weighs 65lbs, and is only 28 inches at the shoulder. By most standards, that's a big dog, but in wolfdog terms, that's about how big they usually are at about 6-7 months old, when they are half grown. The fact that we had him neutered may or may not have had something to do with this - his parents were both quite small as well.
The point I am trying to make is that these are not dogs, they are not "puppies", and they will not act as such no matter what you do.
Consider this before considering making a decision that could negatively impact your life, or the life of a wolfdog. Remember that every commitment you make to an animal should be life long, and you should never have the mentality that your wolfdog can be dumped in a shelter or be someone else's problem if they become too much for you. That is something you should consider before getting ANY pet, but especially pets with needs as different as these.
If you have anything you would like to add, or have any questions, feel free to post. This isn't exactly a debate, but I figured it belonged here since people will inevitably have differing opinions on the matter. :)
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Paya Rose
#119143 • 2013-08-18 17:26:34
#119143
The only experience I have with wolf hybrids comes from the years of volunteer support work I have done with Wildlife Images in Grants Pass, Oregon. You would not believe how many wolfdogs have come into the facility from family homes. It was the saddest thing I ever dealt with, because there was no way WI could take them all in, although they did their best to house them as long as possible.<br /> <br /> I have the utmost respect for anyone who can manage one, because they are a full time job. Basically, what is happening with a hybrid is that you are taking a domesticated dog that isn't in the least afraid of humans and mating it with a wild animal. What you end up with most of the time is a wild animal that isn't afraid of humans, and that is a recipe for disaster for all those people who want to own a wolf hybrid for the exotic-status factor and don't bother to educate themselves.<br /> <br /> Taking people on tours at Wildlife Images, I was asked constantly whether we would be willing to adopt out our wolfdogs. For some reason, it was harder to get the facts about them through people's heads than about any other animal kept in the refuge.
Grimes
#115914 • 2013-03-16 20:39:19
#115914
I know, that's pretty much what I mean.<br /> <br /> As a person who would rather have humans go extinct, I have spent most of my life studying Canines, and I believe that it's not even smart to breed a dog and a wolf.<br /> <br /> Sorry if I sound mad, I am not :3<br /> I agree with you completely.
Gemmy
#115350 • 2013-02-26 18:15:24
#115350
<i>I support wolves WAY more than humans. I know that some people take care of them rightly, but I consider it cruel to the wolf part of the dog.</i><br /> <br /> Not trying to sound rude or offensive but you're really missing the point. Saying it's cruel to the wolf part of the dog doesn't make one bit of since. It's cruel <b>overall</b> if you're not going to be devoted to the proper care of <b>any</b> animal. I would even apply the same thing to babies and children. Getting one just to show off or even just because it has wolf in it is just downright stupid.
I support wolves WAY more than humans. I know that some people take care of them rightly, but I consider it cruel to the wolf part of the dog.
Iditarod Kennels
#113866 • 2013-01-15 16:50:46
#113866
one of my friends have a wolf dog named Talon well he had wolf dog it died two years ago from a car. Talon loved cats not like food as friends and he got in the way of a car and a cat. Although my friend lost Talon. Now have Talon's mom and dad.
Nitrous
#91017 • 2012-02-28 19:14:27
#91017
At the end of the day, I think it would be downright awesome to have a pack of wolves roaming my property. But because I know a lot better than to risk the lives and happiness of these creatures, my own safety and that of those around me, I would never attempt to make this any more than a silly fantasy. <br /> <br /> In the wrong hands, a wolf and even a hybrid is a dangerous thing. Even in the right hands, they can still absolutely be dangerous. Accidents happen, people don't understand, and getting a hybrid just because it seems cool is the quickest way to getting yourself and the animal hurt. <br /> <br /> I don't believe in breeding hybrids for the purpose of selling them as pets.
I currently own a wolfdog. Timber Wolf/Siberian husky mix. Every day I am so very glad marking wise he looks like a normal husky. Why? I live right in the middle of cattle country and people will HAPPILY shoot, poison, torture and kill your dog. For sport. Why? Well it might kill their cows of course. In fact I am VERY careful who I tell around my area that I do own one. I learned that was the best on my part after one of my neighbors went through 3 wolves/hybrids in the course of two years. All of them were poisoned and died, even though his house [like mine] is set far away from anyone else's and the animals were completely confined to his property. <br /> <br /> My hybrid, Shunkaha, came to me as a rescue due to a seller wanting to get rid of him after buyers repeatedly backing out until he was no longer the cute adorable puppy. At the time I already had a husky, did tons of research, reinforced my yard and checked that my vet would in fact treat a wild animal, because on the books any amount of wolf blood automatically marks your pet as "wild animal" and legally will be treated as such. I can not leave my dog outside unsupervised for any length of time, so making a suitable indoor containment was also necessary.<br /> <br /> I was <i>very</i> lucky in the fact that he has a good mix of both the husky and wolf personality traits. He's mellow as far as hybrids go, and for the most part is well behaved. However, like all things you have to remember that sometimes they just have a bad day. I HAVE been growled at by him for doing things he deemed bad, such as normal grooming, getting him out of his crate when he doesn't want to, picking up his food bowl. This "dog" has food aggression, he has been trained continuously to keep the issue under control, but I can not honestly say I would trust anyone but me or my mom and one friend who have been with me and taught the proper handling of the issue to even try and take any food item away from him. I certainly do not trust any other animals around him if he has any food things. Like I said he is a laid back wolfdog, so he mostly only gets "grumpy" at other animals for getting near HIS kennel and they back off which frankly is just good communication between him and them not wanting to mess with it.<br /> <br /> I have 180 acres of land. The nearest house belongs to said friend who knows how to handle Shunkaha. The next closest is about 1 mile from my house. Shunkaha is NOT allowed to roam, in fact I never let him off leash. I or my friend walk him daily. The most freedom he really gets is a 30 foot leash, and one of us willing to run/jog where ever he feels like going on my land. I do not own any cattle on this land anymore, just one horse. When I did I would always purposely avoid whichever section they were on. While he has never really shown interest in chasing large animals I do not want to risk him suddenly deciding to in the event that he does escape. <br /> <br /> Speaking of escapes. They DO happen, I annually spend $200 - $300 on fence building and repair. Its an expensive hobby, and I can vouch for a wolfdog or husky who is determined enough to find a way out of any dog proof fence. Climbing, digging, just prying fencing apart, you name it I've seen it first hand. At the moment my fencing is triple reenforced with dog fencing and cattle panels. They simply moved to digging under the house itself. I will the pouring concrete along this new escape route during the summer and wait for the next one, because there will always be a next one. I have been fortunate that Shunkaha has stayed on my property by finding a long dead animal [think some tough hide and bones I'm talking this thing is OLD] and proceeding to lounge in my front yard and chew that up. It would only take one time of him chasing cattle to be shot and likely killed, or worse shot but not killed and left to suffer for days in a field until he finally die of dehydration. <br /> <br /> Owning a hybrid is a real commitment. When I got him I KNEW I would be leaving in 5 years to go to college. That meant I had to make sure he was very well behaved and trained before then, and that I had at least 2 people I could depend upon a daily base to care for him. I do have a few other people that can do minimal care, but not actual handling of the animal as an emergency back up. Always, always, always make sure you are not the ONLY care giver. Even if you are planning to stick around for the next 14 or 15 years to care for this animal, what if you have to go to the hospital? Have to travel cross country for some reason? Or what if you die? What happens to your animal then? Will it be marked as an uncontrollable wild animal and be killed? Will you be responsible and set these things up before you even have him? You really have to think of these things before even considering, and I don't mean your uncle who kinda likes them said ok while he was watching TV. Whoever will be there taking care of it when you are not there for whatever reason better be actively doing so when you are there too. I personally swap out who is caring for Shunka on any given day. My friend practically lives at my house so, he wants to go out? One of us will get up and let him out int he back yard. Time to go on a walk? Maybe we'll both go. Its a very involved process. <br /> <br /> Also consider that owning a wolfdog is NOT rewarding, not really. I come home from college, I get a small greeting from Shunkaha. My husky is all over me for days, because I am home and he missed me. Wolves and hybrids generally don't emote the same way as dogs. There are variances between wolfdogs, but my personal experience has been that Shunkaha is pleased that I am back, but never to the extent that my husky will be. In fact a lot of the time Shunkaha isn't excited about anything. I joke about him being "lazy" because sometimes he rather just hang out on his pillow than go outside. He wants to do things on his schedule and terms and if you don't like it, well you can get over yourself. A dog wants to please you, always. A wolfdog decides if he wants to do it himself, he doesn't care so much about how you feel about that. You can't get mad at him for it, you can't force him to want to please you. My Shunkaha is very food motivated, so he will do some "tricks" namely going in his crate, going outside, sitting, laying down.. But he doesn't do it to please me, he does it because he feels that it is worth it for the treat. <br /> <br /> I think I'm going to end here, I mean, I could go on and on and on really. Its kind of an endless subject for me. Frankly if I could pick my own dog, I would get a dog-dog. Something easy to train, listens and just falls all over themselves to please you. Don't get me wrong, I love my Shunkaha, he is a beautiful animal and always a part of my family. But he has been a real learning experience, and he isn't even one of the difficult hybrids. No matter how much you read online, research and such it can not prepare you enough for the responsibility of actually owning one of these. <b>Ever.</b>
Maggots New Side
#88732 • 2012-02-17 14:15:34
#88732
I thought wolfdogs were cool and I did look into them once and wanted to get one. After reading stuff I knew I couldn't handle one and heaven forbid I somehow got a child while still having the dog and something happened. I also know I couldn't devote the time necessary for it. <br /> <br /> You have to admit to yourself when something is not a good idea Jingle no matter how bad you want it or how determined you are. Some things are better left alone. I believe very very few people have the means to care for a wolfdog and be prepared for the risks that are included in any animal.<br /> <br /> Part of being responsible is walking away from a situation that could end up terrible and that isn't practical no matter how much your heart is set on it. <br /> <br /> [edit] Also remember that dogs are a 10+yr commitment. Do you know where you're going to be in 10yrs? College busy studying? Moving to your own place that perhaps doesn't allow dogs? Want to start a family? Keep these in mind with any animal
I have trained dogs for many years. I have had to work with everything from the yappiest most annoying chihuahua that bit ankles to the biggest Dobie I have ever seen. I still wouldn't get a wolfdog. I'm not ready for it, my property is not set up for one, and my three would try to kill it. Brave Heart (Irish Wolfhound) is bred to hunt wolves and he is 160lbs of muscle. There is no way I could stop him if he went after it. King and Dutchess are both fear aggressive so if they felt challenged they would go after it to. I know a wolfdog is strong but do you really think any dog could stand up to three charging dogs that together equal about 400lbs. I don't think so.<br /> <br /> (this may be a bad example) In cats people cross domesticated cats with African Servals. To create the "Savannah Cat" well these guys are still half wild (they can't keep the same"wild" looks if they mate Savannah to Savannah or Savannah to domestic) well these are big sometimes dangerous cats. I own one. His name is Cumal (like the tiger) and he was dropped off at a shelter I was volunteering at because he got to big and dangerous More likely the owner just wasn't ready for a big. half wild cat. I heard that he was going to be put down so I talked to the director and asked for a "trial period" for him. Well I took him home and he went right to Brave Heart and rubbed against him purring (sound dangerous) it's been two years and Cumal is so intelligent that he now will sometimes do a command I give to the dogs. He hasn't gotten out of the yard yet and he walks down the road on a leash. You just have to be prepared and DO YOUR RESEARCH. I had wanted a wolfdog because I thought they were cool dogs well I did months and months and decided that I was not ready for an animal like that. Two rescues who were at the time total wrecks, a Wolfhound puppy that grew 10inches in 2 weeks, and a half wild cat that will be about 3 times bigger then a normal house cat was enough. Saying "I'm am devoted to get a wolf dog mix no matter what" is very irresponsible. I said I was getting a Pit Bull no matter what and it got me a dog that got poisoned because "she was evil" the most evil thing she'd done was jump on a lady and lick her hand. "She is not able to recover no matter what I try" exactly as everyone has been saying, if you can't even get a domesticated dog to trust you then how the heck are you going to get a very large, very opinionated, very high maitenance, demanding, pushy, way to intelligent for it's own good, and down right nearly impossible animal to trust you and work with you instead of against you. You have been posting reasons telling everyone why you SHOULDN'T get a wolfdog. *end rant now* This isn't to say all wolfdogs are terrible but they all need a strong, knowledgable handler.
jive
#85715 • 2012-02-05 11:42:51
#85715
"I'm am devoted to get a wolf dog mix no matter what" implies that you will get one whether it is good for the animal or not. That's an incredibly short-sighted and selfish stance to take in any sort of animal ownership/caretaking situation.