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Kaelizilla
#36 • 1712 views
Posted: 2011-08-26 01:33:43
#8877
Custom Designs
A good question was posed in a thread which was closed earlier today. I want to extract that topic from the thread so that the topic doesn't die along with the inappropriate execution.
When you create a custom dog design and then sell it (the design itself or the created dog) to another player with no expressed contract, who then owns that design? Does the person who created the design own it? Or does the new owner of the dog, even though it wasn't their original idea?
Please weigh in on this topic with your opinions! Name calling and finger pointing will not be tolerated. If you feel you have a valid concern about design theft, please do the appropriate thing and submit the issue to the moderator issue hub.
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Ny
#55353 • 2011-08-26 02:24:37
#55353
No player owns the design, really...<br /> It belongs to Ala, which would mean it REALLY belongs to Rob, right? o-o It's just a generated image using premade markings. I think people just get too butthurt over things. XD<br /> <br /> It sucks to have a dog duplicated, yeah, that's why I think it would be nice to be able to hide a dog's markings or opacity so others can't duplicate a design so easily. n___n<br /> <br /> *scuttles off*
Carnivale
#55352 • 2011-08-26 02:14:10
#55352
"I'm not here to say you're wrong"<br /> <br /> "ITS WRONG."<br /> <br /> lol, It's quite alright if you think I'm wrong, you don't have to be apologetic about your stance on the issue. XD I'm just stating my own stance in the debate, which is obviously subject to others not agreeing. That's what debate is all about, disagreeing, but discussing the disagreements and different sides of the issue in a civil environment. I don't take it personally. ;}<br /> <br /> Edit: And Kael pretty much just stated the line of logic I'm running on.<br /> <br />
In the art world, I believe it is more commonplace to sell prints or copies of a work than it is to buy the rights to the artist's image. Quite conversely to the sentiments I'm reading here, it's not only accepted that the work will be reproduced (in limited quantity, or not), it is expected. <br /> <br /> This is where it is important to understand who holds rights to an image or idea, as well as to discuss things like limited edition/copies, unique design, commissioned work, etc. <br /> <br /> I also think that if this was not addressed in the beginning, prior to sale or contract, the creator of the work retains legal rights to that property. This is just speaking in terms of real world applications and could hold little or no bearing on Alacrity. It's just food for thought :)
Star
#55350 • 2011-08-26 02:03:41
#55350
I agree with Mehou, I have never met anyone (except you, carn) that assumes that when they sell a dog, they still own it's design. As i'm not all up in the stats, i'm more of a looks person myself, so I still consider that making a replica dog ridiculous. I wouldn't say its STOLEN, i'd just say it's wrong. And not nice. Original owner or not, it's still wrong. You should AT LEAST mention you wanting to recreate the dog, contract or not.<br /> <br /> Common courtesy, yo.
You're right, it should be outlined or discussed. But how many of us just click "buy dog" without thinking to message the owner? The general assumption is that once you buy something, it's yours. At least, that's what I've always experienced and assumed.<br /> <br /> However, it is also wrong IMO to assume the design belongs to the original maker without contacting the buyer. If an attempt was made, however, it becomes sticky.
To me, you're just selling the dog, but not your rights to reproduce it later. If no contract was ever discussed, then no one can really justify getting upset, can they? But if a contract of some sort -was- discussed at the time of sale, such as the creator agreeing they would not reacreate the design, and then going back on their word? Then sure, that could be upsetting and I wouldn't blame a person for getting upset.<br /> <br /> But if nothing was discussed beforehand, then obviously no agreement to any sort of terms was made, so the original creator can do as they wish with their own design. That's my stance, anyway.
Mahou
#55346 • 2011-08-26 01:55:21
#55346
It becomes property of the new owner. <br /> <br /> Macey has worded it so much more eloquently than I could. Unless it was in the original agreement that the design is still properly of the previous owner, then they have no rights to it. <br /> <br /> If I sold a character (ex: my fursona), I would not remake another character with that exact look/marking - because I SOLD it.<br /> <br /> Alacrity is 50%+ about looks, there are many players who do not use Ala for the competitions (I do not) and instead use it to breed pretty dogs/etc. The goal for us is unique/pretty dogs, and seeing copies of something we paid for or worked hard to mark is rather upsetting.
Star
#55344 • 2011-08-26 01:45:05
#55344
I never said it was wrong that they wanted to, that's understandable. But doing so without so much as a word <i><u>is</i></u> wrong. <br /> <br /> That's like me making a design, selling it, and then making that design again to do whatever I want. A character, if you will. Or a dog, like on here. It's the same concept.
Carnivale
#55343 • 2011-08-26 01:42:45
#55343
I have the opposite position, in that I don't feel it's wrong if the original creator of the dog wants to recreate their own design later on.<br /> <br /> The only time I see a problem is if someone takes a design that was never theirs to begin with. At that point it becomes more of a theft, rather than just reproducing your own original idea.
