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Posted: 2011-11-18 18:01:27
#9658

Monster Dogs

**Before you post, PLEASE read EVERYONE's responses**

Can SOMETHING be done to prevent monster dogs from tearing a part the trials?

I can;t enter my dogs in trials because there is at least 2 dogs or so with 8999 TP entering and its obvious that they are waterbowled, and then they breed, and then those pups are waterbowled.

And its annoying because someone like me, who hand maxes ALL of her dogs, has to deal with this while I'm just trying to makke money.

And what about the newbies? They can't enter an trials either because none of them can afford a monster dog, let alone a waterbowl unless they donate.

And with the monster dogs being for sale now, the population is going to grow since more users have them, and eventually, there are going to be trials with only dogs with 8999 TP in them.

Any suggestions as to how we can prevent monster dogs from overriding the site? I know I have 3k TP dog but I don't enter EVERY high TP dog I have in a trial just because I can, especially if there are newbies in a trial. :/

My suggestions: Make monster dog trials SEPARATE from regular trials. There's more than enough of them to fit in their own trials.
And it's not like they won't benefit. They still have $16k a trial either way. :/

My opinion: I myself am not fond of people who waterbowl TP capped dogs and then breed, and then have more TP capped dogs, and waterbowl those, and so on and so forth. EVEN WORSE are the dogs that are inbred and are still bred and water bowled. I myself am okay with food bowls, but I believe using waterbowls kills the point of this website. I like training my dogs and then trialing them to show my hardwork. In some cases (I have seen), waterbowl costs are covered when TP capped dogs are sold. So people don't even have to donate any more to get waterbowls? So now everyone can get a high TP dog and kill trials without much effort? IF that's the case and if it gets to become more and more popular, then I'm leaving. Because it's not fair to those who choose to work hard and take their time and are just "shot down" for putting effort into it.

Any suggestions/opinions?


Other Ideas:
A TP marker of how low/high the TP has to be for trials
Last edited:2011-11-23 22:56:01

Replies

#70205
I posted a topic like this one awhile back. No one seemed to like it. XD But,I'm terrable at getting my thoughts across the web so...X3<br /> Getting to my point,support,I have always liked this idea mainly because it makes trials unfair to all who have entered low TP dogs.
#70027
I think this could be a great idea only because, there aren't very many people who like trialing their foundie against a monster dog. I for one agree with Al, when I don't want to waste money for a monster dog to win and my dogs keep losing. I have a couple of 1k dogs, but they can't beat monster dogs and it would take a miracle if they could. The reason for people having filler dogs, is so their higher TP dogs can win, not everyone else's. I find it rather rude when someone's trying to win a couple of bucks with their not-so-high TP dogs, and someone else comes in with a monster dog and ruins it for them. Since there's an option to allow certain breeds in a user-made trial, why can't there be an option to allow dogs with certain TPs in trials too? For example if I made a trial in the Odie level, there would be more higher TP dogs entering and there would be hardly any low TP dogs entering, due to the unfairness. Once a player has hit a certain level in trialing, they give up because it's impossible for their dog to beat others. I know we can make our titles say that their are restrictions, but that doesn't always stop players who are looking for easy wins. Just yesterday, I made a trail for dog's with 600 to 999 TP only, and when the trial was over, I noticed a person with an obviously higher TP'ed dog had entered and not payed attention to the title. If there were an option to limit TPs, I think everyone could finally make a buck sometime while trialing low TP dogs. This also brings me to a real life question. You wouldn't trial a 2 year old dog whose had little experience on a course than a dog who is 5 and knows the course by heart, would you? Their the same principles. If low TP dog can't beat a monster dog, then what good does the dog do for the player?
#69825
I just experienced entering into 14 different trials, and I lost at least half of them because there were 3 monster dogs in it. -.-
#69555
I don't think we can make an exception for one person, unfortunately. Just because you put effort into maxing what you can, it doesn't mean anyone else will. It's unfortunate, but if people actually took time to train (so they weren't maxed by 8 months) this wouldn't be as big of an issue.<br /> <br /> However, water bowling is how almost all people train these dogs. <br /> <br />
#69552
Even then, though, it isn't fair to those of us who work hard (there's that term again!) to max our dogs. I will not water bowl her, no matter how much I want to. And I will not breed her because she is related to every other high TP dog out there. So even though I'm doing everything right (maxing her by hand rather than rush, not popping out more puppies) she's going to get sidelined from mainstream competition? <br /> <br /> From what I understand, the <i>whole point</i> of trialing is that the higher the TP, the better your dog will place. Where do we draw the line? If TP capped dogs are eliminated from trials, the dogs with 7999 TP will automatically win. Should we boot them too? If they're relegated to the sidelines with the TP capped dog, they have no chance at winning. But hey, that's okay - kick them out too. Then the 6k TP dogs will move in and take over. Then 5k. Then 4k. Where does it stop? Should everyone with a dog over 1k TP be booted from mainstream competition?<br /> <br /> I'm just trying to understand what you're asking for.
Last edited:2011-11-19 10:15:42
#69551
That obviously isn't what anyone is saying. I was suggesting capped TP dogs be removed from mainstream competition. That's it.<br /> <br /> There's no reason for them to be trialing with other dogs. They'll always win, and since they're bred like rabbits, four more will replace the one that just moved up, pinning everyone else down to the lower levels. Unless, of course, they trial against themselves - which again, I don't believe in. Everyone with dogs that don't meet this TP will either waste money trialing until they breed a capped dog, or not trial and miss out until they reach a capped TP dog. <br /> <br /> The dog will then compete against other capped TP dogs, until all of them have perfect stats at which point, I assume the winner is chosen at random (effectively eliminating this "hard work").<br /> <br /> Gee. What fun.
Last edited:2011-11-19 10:05:59
#69549
Goodness.. I do see why it's a problem and I'm offering a solution that doesn't involve ruining the site for people who have high TP dogs. <br /> <br /> These seem to be conflicting arguments... It sounds to me like you're saying the point of the game is to breed high TP dogs, but not trial them in any way (either by entering one TP capped dog in a trial, or filling your trials with your own dogs) because the point is not to give yourself automatic wins. Well, high TP dogs just about guarantee a win. So should we stop trialing all together?
#69544
"Why did I start doing this? Because some people with waterbowled monsters were hogging all the trials and I wasn't winning anything. When I started collecting and maxing monsters, I wanted to show some common courtesy and not trial-snipe. "<br /> <br /> I don't understand how if this has happened to you, you're unwilling to see why it's a problem for the rest of us. While maybe the point of the game is to breed high TP dogs, the point of the game is NOT to give yourself automatic wins. I honestly don't see why trialing your dogs together isn't against the rules, because you're rigging who will win and eliminating the competition. You no longer win for beating your <i>competition</i> you win because you entered four dogs that had a lower TP than your other dog, who you want to advance through the trials so he could make you a lot of money.
#69542
I understand where you're coming from, but I think instituting something that limits the trials high TP dogs can enter into would kill those of us who actually <i>work</i> to max these dogs. I'm working on maxing a TP capped GSD right now. I food bowled her and am hand maxing from there up. Why shouldn't I be rewarded for all my hard work when I'm finished? It's taking me a long time to max her (so much so that I've frozen her for now while I get my Cata line started), and the only thing that keeps me going on her is the knowledge that, when I'm finished, she'll be able to win almost any trial I put her in. <br /> <br /> Here's a solution: Don't punish some users for reaching the goal of the site. Rather, adopt a bunch of low- to mid-TP dogs from the pound (I'm trying to start a group of 0-10 TPs to use as fillers), max them, and use them as a trial team. By doing this, I've managed to create trial teams for each level. I use these trial teams to get my high TP dogs to higher levels, kind of like stepping stones. I only compete my high TP dogs against my own dogs, unless I absolutely can't.<br /> <br /> Why did I start doing this? Because some people with waterbowled monsters were hogging all the trials and I wasn't winning anything. When I started collecting and maxing monsters, I wanted to show some common courtesy and not trial-snipe. <br /> <br /> I think it's less a matter of the site instituting a rule and more a matter of decency.
#69541
I support moving TP capped dogs away from competing with other dogs.<br /> <br />"Your talk of lowering the TP cap is in my eyes asking to punish people who put out a lot of time, money and effort to make those dogs. Punishing people for one of the main goals of this game?"<br /> <br /> I think someone was trying to establish the point that there's nothing difficult about water bowling, breeding and repeating. People can afford to do that because their dogs make so much money because a 3k TP dog obviously can't compete.
Last edited:2011-11-19 09:30:31

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