I'm simply responding to you in the manner you started with. If my being 'sarcastic' bothers you, try reading your posts from the perspective of someone who likes Pit Bulls and see what <i>you</i> come off as. You say you hate pit bulls, fine. That's your right, but try being more sensitive to those who own and love them.

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xD Calling people sarcastic jerks is not debating, get outta here. <br /> <br /> Anyway, no input from me, I don't mind pits, they're far from my favorite breed, banning breeds is absolutely ridiculous imo, although if this is turning into a trashy argument, I'd love to toss a few words in :o<br /> <br /> Crap, knew I forgot something!<br /> <br /> Regarding not believing sources without finding something wrong with them, though it's off topic for this debate, I find it much more ignorant to simply find one site and mention it alone, apparently without looking at any contradictory views or any sort of proof or correction. But hey. You must know best, since you don't like pits, right? <br /> <br /> xoxo<br /> Fleetsies.

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Also Shadow, I ask ONE AGAIN that you stop being such a sarcastic jerk. Nobody wants to listen to you when ou act like that. You could have simply said "Actually, this is why I disagree with this" which is what you do in debates. I was wrong on that fact, but I still hold my position. If your going to be like that, I have no interest debating with you. This is the last time I will say so.

Wow, I find it sad that you can no longer rely on sources without something being wrong with them.

I suggest you do more research into dogsbite.com before you go quoting it like its full of facts.<br /> <br /> <a href= http://pitbulletinlegalnews.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/116-dogsbiteorg-dogbite-qstatisticsq-the-fox-guarding-the-henhouse>Link</a>

"Pit Bulls are a breed that are simply born (because of generations and generations of breeding for dog-aggression) "mean" to other dogs."<br /> <br /> And I agree with you. But what I'm getting at is people saying that ALL pitbulls are sweet, loving, kind, loyal. Yes, and I bet SOME are. But you can't put that label on ALL Pit Bulls, like I have been seeing lately. I understand that yes, some pitbulls are treated unfairly, and as I've said before, I fully acknowlegde and agree that it is the HUMANS fault for raising them up the ways that they have. But, on the other hand, Pit Bulls have bitten and killed people MORE than other dogs.<br /> <br /> In 2007:<br /> # Of GSD Bites doing Bodily Harm: 63<br /> # Of Doberman: 11<br /> # Of Rottweiler: 409<br /> # Of Pit Bull: 1110<br /> --<br /> "Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13)."<br /> <br /> Shadow, you are saying that all 'mean' (as Clayton as reffering it as :3) Pit Bulls simply fell into the hands of abuse. The dog that my aunt was bitten by was raised in a home with 3 children and a loving couple. Also, If you will take a moment to read my previous posts, I stated that I have changed my mind about extincting all Pit Bulls.<br /> <br />

I'm not upset that you disagree. I fully understand that some people dislike a breed and I respect that. What I don't respect is how you came into this debate, or how you react when anyone points out the good in the breed. I don't own a pit bull and have no desire to own one, frankly anything terrier isn't for me. But I don't wish the breed gone.<br /> But that's enough of that. This is getting off topic and frankly 'debating' with people who don't want to hear it is a waste of time.<br /> <br /> Pit bulls aren't bred to 'bathe in blood', they aren't monsters, they aren't demons. They're a powerful, amazing breed that often ends up in hands that abuse, misguide and mistreat them. Pit Bulls deserve more sympathy and support than they do hate. And that's all I have left to say on the subject.

Oh of course, and I do definitely agree with some dogs simply "being born mean" (although I don't use the term "mean" because I don't believe that animals have the capability to understand "mean". I prefer the terms "human-aggressive" and "dog-aggressive")<br /> Pit Bulls are a breed that are simply born (because of generations and generations of breeding for dog-aggression) "mean" to other dogs. However, this is not the fault of the Pit Bull, because they don't selectively breed themselves for aggression, they just do what they've been taught, bred and trained to do. To me, that is admirable of the breed.<br /> Despite going through the trauma, pain, torture, neglect and abuse that they suffer at the hands of abusers and dogfighters, they will continue to do it if the owner tells them to, and they will never bite the owner, despite possessing the ability to shatter every bone in their body.

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Shadow, You're just upset because I'm disagreeing with everybody else in this debate. Please, relax a little.<br /> <br /> Clayton, I've heard about BSL taking place in some states. I guess now that I consider that people can fall in love as easily with a Bully as I can a Shepherd, I can part ways with my statement of 'extincting' the breed. <br /> <br /> Also, I 100% agree with the fact that a German Shepherd would be put on BSL because of their nature. After all, German Shepherds are ranked on the top 5 most dangerous dog lists many times.<br /> <br /> Would you agree to dogs having their own personalities?

Yeah. The difference between a debate and an argument is the following; debates are more mature, both sides support their side of the argument with sources/evidence/proof. It's a bit of "I disagree with you, and here is some informative links as to why". Arguments are full of insults, little to no proof besides "it's my opinion", name-calling, etc.<br /> <br /> If you join a debate, expect to be disagreed with, you cannot say "it's my opinion, this is a debate" and expect it to be a be-all end-all to anybody replying to your post with "well, your point about ___ is a bit incorrect, here's why". People who are interested in having a serious debate about an issue dislike it when people insult the others opinion and don't provide any proof to why they believe this.<br /> <br /> Now, back to the BSL issue.<br /> In my city, BSL was put into effect a few years ago. Pit Bulls and "related breeds" were banned, however, some dogs are grandfathered by the law, meaning that if they were born before the ban was put into place (and the owner can provide PROOF) then they get off with being allowed to continue owning the dog.. however, it must be muzzled at all times when not inside the house (and under control).<br /> Does the ban stop Pit Bull owners from owning these dogs? Hah! Not a chance. I know people who own pure-bred Pit Bulls even though owning the breed is illegal. <br /> BSL doesn't work, plain and simple.. it just sends people into hiding with their dogs. The dogs I'm talking about? The owner has had the police called on em numerous times, but when they come around, they send the dog to a friends' house :P<br /> BSL and making Pit Bulls/dog-fighting illegal also doesn't stop dog-fighters, for the same reason. Dog-fighters are extremely secretive and can own yards full of dogs and never get caught for dog-fighting.

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