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Alcemistnv [567 candy corns]
#3906 • 1066 views
Posted: 2013-03-01 13:24:38
#12175
Ala's New Update? (play nice!)
Rules:
1. PLEASE be nice about this. Even if you are upset by the change, do not be rude about it. Do not bash the site no matter how mad you are.
2. Please provide well thought out answers. Please do not answer with "Omg I hate this," and think thats an acceptable debate statement.
3. Also, Do not mention that this site is turning into foo . It's not a good argument to use and honestly it bothers me to see/hear this. Especially because Ala is FREE to play. the monthly shop is not mandatory and therefore it is not pay to play. So please give your arguments without mentioning that, if possible.
So to begin:
How do you feel about the new change?
I personally do not like it. Granted, I think it's a good idea to help bring in cash to the site, and I understand that they need money and sometimes sacrifices need to be made. What I don't like is that people like me, users who have been a part of this site for a very long time, might not be able to enjoy the monthly shop anymore because we don't have bones. Even worse are the new members who can't either. Bones are not cheap anymore. I remember when they used to be sold for 10,000 ala cash. Now it's 300,000. With the amount of money I have, I can only buy 10 bones, which is very little since the average item is 3+ bones. Unless you have items that you can sell, or if you have actually money you are ALLOWED to spend, it's near impossible to get bones. I understand that some people are old enough to spend how ever much they want, but since a large portion of the site is of users under 18, it's not as easy. And we can't just go up and ask our parents for money to spend on here, it's not that easy as you think. I remember trying to donate money for Rob when she was in the car crash and my parents didn't care. So if I tell them that the site is in need of money, do you think they'll still care? That $25 that goes to the site could be used to buy food, or maybe a new pair of jeans. The money, as I know, isn't going to the owner for his own personal gain, but for the site to be upkept. With 20,000+ users and growing, I think that putting the monthly shop as bones wasn't the greatest idea. If the site had a ChipIn where we would be encouraged to donate maybe $1 a person (with an item reward), maybe I would be more willing to give money. And I'm sure most parents wouldn't object to $1 (and of course some people might give more). But taking away the monthly shop isn't the best way to do it, IMO. All it's doing is making users angry and more likely to leave.
So yea, that's kinda my little rambling piece.
You are free to agree, disagree, tear apart, or welcome my opinion as you wish.
Replies
Ai00x
#116410 • 2013-04-02 00:45:03
#116410
I think the site has been making a bit too many big (and nasty) changes lately, when I think they COULD have used some more subtle choices. <br /> <br /> I started playing around valentines. So I actually was able to<br /> <br /> 1) play frisbee game when it was still worth playing<br /> <br /> Since the problem was that some people had so many dogs they'd make a fortune daily with this game, I think it would have been smarter to instead make a limit as to with how many dogs can you play this game each day, instead of making the game literally "a waste of energy"<br /><br /> 2) be in the valentines explore -style event and get items I otherwise would have to save a lifetime for<br /> <br /> If this is only temporary then good, but I think the new backyard dig should at LEAST be able to stack up some digs instead of you having to come and play it every.half.an.hour..<br /> <br /> 3) buy things from the monthly shop without bones.<br /><br /> As suggested before, they could at least make the prices somewhat lower so that even the younger members could have a chance of getting something from the monthly shop. Maybe at least make 1 set of monthly items buyable with game cash? <br /> ...and I really am thinking; are ala's people not scared that instead of getting more cash, they end up making users upset and maybe even quit the game? Or at the very least it will be extremely difficult to now start playing since pretty much everything's been made much more difficult. I agree that it's good that ala is trying to get cash when they need it, but I really REALLY think that there would have been better choices.
Haven't read it all yet. Mostly, I like a lot of the changes that happened while I was gone. Not so the monthly shop change. <br /> <br /> Let's clarify one thing. When a site like this one "needs money" it means it needs more profit. I happen to know the figures the site made when Rob was selling and I doubt it has gone down that much. I also know what servers cost (having 2 myself right now) and what you need to pay for artists if you don't pay them site currency. Only thing I do not know is what the programmer gets but I doubt it is 5k. <br /> <br /> So I very very much doubt that "the site needs money." The owner wants a reasonable profit. Which is logical from a business POV. Some people probably do not spend so much anymore. This is something that has to do with RL economy, too, not just the way things are here. <br /> <br /> I think when people compared Ala to a certain other unmentionable site, they did not really mean it literally. What was meant was probably that Ala has turned away from the family feeling towards being just another micro-payment site. That's not quite correct of course, but I do understand where those people come from. <br /> <br /> Now a lot of players don't care for deco items that much, and even those who do aren't all collectors. But it is in the nature of people to want all the things they like, even when they put it in as a long term goal. With the changes, I imagine most people who can even afford the around 100 bones a month (by my count) the monthly shop items will cost (with the current somewhat inflated bone prices) will only get one of each item. Exception maybe for good companions. <br /> <br /> Which means it is even less likely those items will show up in the shops unless for even more bones (because prices rise once it is gone from the shop more often than not). <br /> <br /> Thus, really collecting will be a money sink that might fit the recent article I saw about games and online addiction in connection with micro-payment sites. <br /> <br /> Personally, I'm not going to fall into that trap. I will probably stop collecting seeing how little time I have to be on and thus less chance to make money or find bone specials. I think I mentioned that I sat out on items I didn't like that much/didn't really need. I have a feeling others might react likewise. <br /> <br /> And yeah you might not NEED the monthly shop items. However, as they include the companions and occasional other functional items, you are at a disadvantage without them. That's a simple fact. <br /> <br /> Of course, as far as monthly items are concerned, this probably won't matter much to the site. Except form the occasional swag bag, I usually used Ala cash to pay as I already put enough money into the site with other things (like dog slots). Where it matters is probably with donation items. Once I am not collecting anymore, I won't need all of those, either. So I'll likely end up buying less bones instead of more. <br /> <br /> Ideas for fixing this? I might have some, but they would need lots of thinking and probably another thread :-) Might not be doable either with the code of the site - things like "buy one monthly shop item with bones, then be able to buy one of same value for money." Yes, that would also mean you'd need to have to have bones to start with, but it would at least cut down on the amount needed. There could also be a random bone event with the twist that the more bones you already have, the less likely it would be for you to find one. But as I said, not quite thought through. <br /> <br /> Oh, and so you don't get me wrong. I'm definitely not against games like this needing to make a profit. That's the way the world works. Just a question of where the limits are to still make it fun for everyone. <br /> <br /> Changes I definitely love are the mascot, the collection Chinese stuff in the donations, the reduction of frisbee money (although I think the reduction was overdone but that is some other topic probably) and the, after years of discussing it on and off, addition of the "pregnant" icon! YAY! Oh and of course the find item function (could we please add CAs to this?) and the ability to hide items you don't want in the scene but need for function. <br /> <br /> Might post more later. All in all, site has gotten better, monthly shop change or not. <br /> <br />
Scarlet Cupcake With Leg Texture
#115956 • 2013-03-18 19:49:38
#115956
(Yeah, this is going to be a short post, sorry)<br /> <br /> I agree 100% with this post. I can not donate, and it's really hard to get bones without donating. I read how to get cash, which is still hard to do, and Newbies like me don't have good items to sell. I tried to get my Mom to donate $1 but no, of course not, "It's just a bunch of fake dogs". That hurt my feelings, and I still can't donate. Even after playing all of the games, there's no profit. Between food and other Alacrity Main Shop necesities, I have almost no money at the end of the day/rollover. I don't see any bone prices going down either.
Steaks
#115547 • 2013-03-03 03:01:35
#115547
**This is continuation over from news post**<br /> <br /> "The frisbee was changed to balance out the loss from the trial change"<br /> Yes, but I dont think any real long-term testing was done on that. Carni tested it out with her dogs and was able to rake in the cash. I don't know how many dogs Carni used but I highly doubt it's as many as other people have on this site.<br /> To quote another player from the news post: "I'm just surprised the game was like that for so long. "<br /> <br /> I can go in and play all the games (excluding trialing and frisbee) well on both my side and main accounts, make $12,000 total, buy up 24 pound dogs, train each of them only in basic (which only takes a few clicks because I have a Trainer Perk as well as a Scholar Collar), and then frisbee them.<br /> I believe the higher end of one frisbee throw was like $1,200? Please correct me if I'm wrong and I'll fix my math, but for now I'll use that amount.<br /> One dog could play for five throws, so one dog could make a max of $6,000 per day.<br /> 24 dogs frisbeed at a MAX of $1,200 a throw, playing for five throws comes out to $144,000 per day.<br /> That's $144,000 from <i>one day</i>of playing all of the games on the site.<br /> Say I have a lot of slots because I'm a rich mcgee and I want to keep doing this.<br /> I could buy up 168 dogs per week, basic train them, and frisbee them.<br /> One dog x 5 throws = max of $6,000 per day<br /> $6,000 x 168 dogs = max of $1,008,000 per week <br /> <br /> Over one million $$ gained simply by buying and basic-training pound dogs using the money gained from game-playing lol. It was a little ridiculous!<br /> <br /> Now that the change is put into place, the math in the same situation would be as follows:<br /> One dog x 3 throws = a max of $600 per day<br /> One day's game playing = 24 dogs<br /> 24 dogs x max of $600 per day = max of $14,400 per day.<br /> Using the above scheme for one week:<br /> 24 dogs x max of $600 = max of $14,400 per day x 7 = $100,800 per week.<br /> <br /> Rich McGee mode:<br /> 168 dogs bought = max of $600 per day, per dog = $100,800 per day<br /> $100,800 per day x 7 = $705,600 per week<br /> <br /> So it's not <i>entirely unreasonable</i> to make money this way, it just takes a lot more work now. Either way, trialing is still a good way to make cash right now so if you've spent your time on Ala breeding for TP like me, you're in luck.
GeistNoir
#115528 • 2013-03-02 14:17:32
#115528
I do not see bones maintaining their current high costs over an extended period of time. For various reasons. <br /> <br /> Anyway, watching this site hemorrhage money from the sidelines, I see absolutely no problem in the change to the monthly shop, and I find the accusations of "pay to play" more than a little ridiculous. The site is trying to stay afloat. Better this, which seems to be a long time coming, actually, than the entire site being shut down. Which is not an exaggeration. A website like Alacrity absolutely can't be cheap to run, if I were the owner and it got that bad, -I'd- consider shutting it down. I'm grateful that it's being changed before that can happen, and I really hope that it works out.<br /> <br /> Monthly shop items are not necessary to play. They're just a pretty and occasionally helpful bonus, but everything that can be done with them can also be done with either normal currency items, or hard work and time.<br /> <br /> Anyway, I have been gone for a long time. I hope the next time I show up the site has gone through with all of these changes. Right now, it's the same site it was in 2011.. Me? I like positive change. Now that the issues the site was having are out of the way, I'm eager to see what will happen with it.
My views on this whole thing is as follows,. Well, first I'd like to start off by saying that if things don't make sense I'm sorry lol I'm sick.<br /> <br /> Okay.<br /> I believe 100% that the staff and artists payment should be held above items like monthly shop and whatnot, I'm very sad to hear that they are going unpaid. However...<br /> I don't understand the idea that staff will be cut down a bunch of items (I assume so that they can be paid realisticly? I don't know how to word that), but I don't understand... the idea behind taking items from the monthly shop, and instead turning that art into main-shop items (bought for cash I believe).. I don't really see how taking the same amount (or MORE) art and making it for cash only is a change at all.<br /> <br /> I believe that the whole monthly shop change will make the costs of bones go even higher. If you look at it this way...<br /> Monthly shop will now be a special place for donators (or really rich players who can afford 300k a bone). People who buy these with bones will probably sell the excess in their user shop (assuming they even spend the extra bones for large bags). Why would they sell the items for cash? They have the $$ for bones, why not just sell one bone for $300k a piece? bones are now super valuable and rare<br /> So my assumption is that people will sell their items for bones only and because the MS is bones-only, bones will become more valuable and more higher priced<br /> After all, if you can't purchase the items in the MS for $$, only bones... one would think you'd just go ahead and buy bones to buy from the MS.<br /> It will not drani the cash on the site at all, it will just trade bones from player-to-player and get some of the bones off the site (which isn't the huge problem with the economy)<br /> <br /> However, y'all should know there'\s cool things in the works for Alacrity, and there really is no plan on going PTP. I don't like PTP sites, because I don't have the money for that.. and if Ala were to ever go to PTP, I'd simply leave, but ala isn't so I'm sitting it out and seeing how it goes, just like y'all should too before jumping ship :)<br /> <br /> Just my 2 cents
Maggots New Side
#115501 • 2013-03-01 19:55:33
#115501
I don't see anything wrong with switching the monthly shop to bones-only. In fact, I think it's a wee bit ridiculous that there are users who are so upset over it. When it comes down to it, the monthly shop was meant to be a shop for rarer, limited-edition items and it simply isn't that anymore. A great majority of the players can pick up whatever they want from it, which defeats it's point. Not to mention that the cash prices were dirt cheap. With the change, the purpose of the monthly shop will be restored, and I will be very glad to see that! It's been one of my "pet peeves" for a very long time.<br /> <br /> Additionally, a lot of users are missing that in exchange for fewer monthly items and a bones-only monthly shop, there will be many more items added to the main stores, and those items are <i>very</i> attainable. Everyone will still be able to obtain new items!<br /> <br /> Changes like this need to happen for if Alacrity keeps losing money like it has, there will be no Alacrity.
ZJ
#115500 • 2013-03-01 19:29:45
#115500
<i>"What I don't like is that people like me, users who have been a part of this site for a very long time, might not be able to enjoy the monthly shop anymore because we don't have bones."</i><br /> <br /> I joined the site before it had a monthly shop. You joined the site when it's monthly shop was bones only.<br /> <br /> This meant neither of us could get the items from the shop. Something we're both familiar with having started on this site.<br /> <br /> This did not dampen my love of Alacrity. This did not stop me from telling everyone I knew about Alacrity. I expect sites to have perks for donators, I expect this because - like myself - sites have bills to pay to keep it up and running. I expected to not get items.<br /> <br /> I was happy getting the RE companion and having enough cash to buy an item or two out of someone's store.<br /> <br /> I was happy with the new items coming out every month in the main store and trialing my dogs and training them. I still am with that. <br /> <br /> I've been talking about more main store items for eons because I think the site needs more low cost items for all players to enjoy.<br /> <br /> I see a lot of arguments for "new players" who won't be able to buy monthly shop items for cash. New players do not have enough money to buy monthly store items with cash. New players <b>need more main store items</b> not monthly store items.<br /> <br /> We're looking to make this site better for everyone. That means a site that new players can come in and see new items in the main store every month, that means a site older players can continue to find interest in by adding new features, that means a site where donators have perks that others do not, that means a site that can support itself and not rely on an owner investing his own money.<br /> <br /> As someone who joined the site because it was free to play and didn't donate, I can speak to the fact that I never felt the need to donate. Nor the want to collect all the monthly items. Nor ever having issue with the fact donators had more. I love Alacrity for the fact it's free to play, and I do not begrudge donators from having more opportunities than me, as I cannot be a donator.
Rilee’s main
#115489 • 2013-03-01 16:38:54
#115489
I agree with Rabby, it would be nice if the bone prices for the items in the shop were lowered once it is a bone only feature ^^<br /> <br /> I also think it would be nice if "companions" from now on that get placed in there would come in a companion version and a decoration version.
Hlaorith
#115488 • 2013-03-01 16:01:48
#115488
I'm not sure if I would count as a newer member. I know my ID is low-ish, but technically I've only been actively playing Alacrity for a few months. And one thing I can say without a doubt is that I love this website. I love its members; I love its staff; and I absolutely adore the site as a whole. These changes are difficult to swallow for all of us since we're all pretty used to being able to buy from that shop with alacash. But everyone seems to be forgetting that this site /needs/ an income to stay alive. That's not just a lie to make us all feel bad and empty our pockets so that staff can roll in money. That's a cold hard fact. <br /> <br /> Alacrity is not money hungry. These are motions being put forth to try to ensure that there will still be an Alacritysim a year or two from now and so on. All that artwork, all those dogs you bred and customized, and every memory made here will be null if the site cannot afford to stay open. I can't stress that enough. I donate to here as often as I can, and that's not totally because of the absolutely beautiful items. It's because I want this website to thrive. I happily support the way this place is handled. I've been staff on other websites before here and I can tell you right now that the amount of care and love that goes into this place is unbelievably high by comparison. Members are listened to, and staff are polite and required to set an example. You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to find websites like that. This is a great place, and it deserves way more praise for all the things it's doing right, in my opinion.<br /> <br /> It's so extremely understandable what a letdown it feels like to those who simply can't donate. But it seems like people are treating this change like it's pay-to-play. Which I know I wouldn't like, and probably wouldn't be very quick to work with. But if you think about it, it isn't moving in that direction at all. The monthly items and what is provided through them are a privilege. Not a right. And these changes are just that: changes. Nobody likes them because they alter what we're accustomed to. I think people need to chill and hear everyone out before they go making all these judgments. <br /> <br /> I remain supportive on this topic. I want to see Alacrity grow and flourish, and if this is what the higher ups deem necessary to do this, then I'll back it. My only suggestion would be to perhaps lower the bone costs of all the items that go into the monthly shop once the switch is made. I think everyone would be much happier to donate if they knew they could get more out of that donation.