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Well, technically that isn't their background. ;) That's current days. I was speaking of the breed's origin which is dog fighting. Back then when the breed was first established they weren't even allowed to be registered as APBTs unless they won a certain number of fights. (But the UKC is against dog fighting now)<br /> <br /> Just look at the Michael Vick dogs, many of them have been fought. They're currently in homes and therapy dogs.<br /> <br /> Their dog fighting history doesn't make them bad at all, in fact it's what made them such hardy, versatile dogs.
yes i got one right! why didn't you include that in your first 'pit bull background' post? hahahah. im just really glad i got that epiphany. hmm...i don't think that's the word.... but yah i was like, ok i have to admit,,, a pit bull as a herding dog?? *shakes head* hmm..... but theres something im forgetting! ANYWAYS. i think what a lot of people are saying is (i hate to speak for everyone and please don't be offended if i step on your toes) but a pit bull has the ability to be a Lovely dog with propper training and a mess of problems with an ignorant trainer. i approve that thesis statement.
Yes, today they are in fact bred as working dogs. The most titled working dog of any breed is Bandog Dread<br /> <br /> His titles include.<br /> SchH III, IPO III, WDS, WH, CD, TD, U-CDX, Ch, STD-d, STD-s<br /> <br /> But in the past, before Schutzhund is what it is now. (Used to be more strict to breeds bred for it.) <br /> <br /> And now working sports are becoming very popular, giving them the opportunity to show their working capability.<br /> <br /> But back when the breed was founded they didn't have those options, and a lot of people found blood sports entertaining. Later on there were more shows and they started show lines as well. (Although many fighting APBTs with pit wins are conformation (show) champions and grand champions as well. I could show you some of the dogs that produced many of the founding dogs to this breed. Such as Colby's Pincher, I've seen him in a lot of pedigrees.<br /> <br /> Colby is a very old line, over 100 years old.<br /> http://www.colbypitbull.com/<br /> <br /> Also, fighting lines have produced great working dogs... After all the sport had them bred for stamina, intelligence (also called "pit smarts"), sound body, gameness(Going to the end), and drive. <br /> <br /> Which are qualities looked for in a working dog, confidence as well.<br /> <br /> :)
it comforts me to know that they are youre favorite breed. and im actually really impressed how Hard you work on your supper long posts. im gonna go forest gump on you, and say i think it's a little of both. maybe it's something that only people can opinionize over. maybe im just in denial and im Tooo headstrong and stuborn to consider that they were bred for fighting. but frankly the possibility they were bred for working dogs seems so much more pleasing.
ok Wait! it totally Hit me! i was thinking and thinking because something wasn't Right, and then i realized, they're Working Dogs! not herding, not fighting, but Working! it fits So much better!!!!!
You totally misread my post. Please don't jump to irrational conclusions.<br /> <br /> I /never/ said they have lock jaw, I even posted in my APBT support thread where I talked about that myth.<br /> <br /> They do in fact have a bite and hold style, all bulldogs do. And terriers shake. They are created from bulldog and terrier mixes.<br /> <br /> And considering I've been researching this breed for years, and have worked with hundreds of them. I have nothing against the breed, they are in fact my favorite breed and breed of choice.<br /> <br /> Implying that I said they were bad dogs is extremely insulting.<br /> <br /> Fighting dogs /are/ tame and gentle dogs. Many fighting bred dogs could be walked down a busy street with other dogs and not react.<br /> <br /> Also, yes, if their ancestors, the building blocks of the breed (As in ancestors I mean APBT, not the mixes put into make them.) were bred for fighting, that makes them bred for fighting.<br /> <br /> Are they bred for fighting now? No, they're bred for show, work, sports, and bred by backyard breeders for a quick buck too.<br /> Well, in the US anyway, dog fighting is legal in some places, so I'd be lying if I said no APBT on earth is being bred for fighting right now. <br /> <br /> And no, bulldogs do not have a herding muzzle. There is no such thing as a herding muzzle. As herding does not require any biting.<br /> <br /> Bulldogs, were bred for blood sports like bull baiting, bear, dog fighting, big game hunting like boars.<br /> <br /> Or "butchers dogs" who'd protect the meet or help subdue the animals. <br /> <br /> American Pit Bull Terriers are amazing dogs, versatile, confident, zest for life, powerful, agile, eager to please, human friendly, horrible guard dogs.<br /> <br /> However dog aggression/animal aggression, isn't out of characteristic for the breed. It's not considered a fault in the show ring, while human aggression is a disqualification. <br /> <br /> If the owner expects their dog to get along with every dog, and isn't prepared to deal with a dog aggressive dog, then goes out and gets an APBT, he is ignorant, irresponsible, and dangerous.<br /> <br /> I am not saying all APBTs are animal or dog aggressive, but it is accepted in the breed and they have a higher likelihood of being DA.<br /> <br /> Just like a retriever retrieves, a Border collie herds, a Greyhound is generally animal aggressive and will hunt down and kill small animals like rabbits.<br /> <br /> <br /> Here, take it from the standard if not me.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.apbtconformation.com/temperament.htm"> DOG toward DOG aggression IS a characteristic of most terriers, including the APBT.<br /> </a><br /> <br /> (I did not capitalize, it's quoted from the link.) <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.apbt.info/tiki-index.php?page=History+of+the+APBT">Contains the official origin of the APBT</a><br /> <br /> <br />
and to be quite frank, what does it matter if theyre ancestors fought or were bred to fought??? the truth is, now, with propper training, just like a lot of other breeds, they can be as gentle and well mannered as a kitten. but with an ignorant owner, any breed can come out like a monster. it sounds like youre saying just because their ancestors fought then, means they can never be nice tame dogs.
just because the ancestors were forced to fight does not mean they were bred to fight theres no way you can prove that
they have Superb fighting ability sure, and just because each "champion show dog" has ancestors who fought, doesn't mean it was bred to fight, theres a possibility that it means some 'you know what' got his hands on a strong breed and made it fight till it died
excuse me, but that is such Bull. pit bulls do not have lock jaw, pit bulls are not animal agressive, and did you know bull dogs were bred to have that certain muzzle for herding i forget what, but you say just because they're stronger, there's no way they could have ever been any type of herder! that's out rageous!