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Mean Dogs - Training or Euthanasia?

This is a topic that got started today in chat when one of our members reported being bitten by a neighbor's dog. I am starting a thread here for people who want to continue the discussion.

For my own opinion, I believe that most dogs that bite have been poorly socialized and many can be helped with proper training, which probably cannot be provided by the people who let the dog get into - let's call it a "biting condition" - in the first place. Others think that once a dog begins biting, and it should be put down. Some have discussed cases in which dogs that nipped under duress have been put down unfairly.

If you have an opinion, this is the place to discuss it, folks.

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I think aggressive dogs just need socialization but kept away from children younger than 10. I was bitten my my german sheperd when i was 10 and my mom got rid of her that day. Luckily she only got my hand and didn't draw blood either. If someone has an aggressive dog they should be causious but still not putting it in a cage and ignoring it,that does not help,some dogs are aggressive from animal crualty but others are that way because they don't like a specific person.
well of course every dog has a chance, and there is always a possibility that every aggressive dog can be rehibilitated. it's important that it doesn't end up in ignorant or irresponsible hands. if it did, it would be an unpleasent life for both dog and owner and the dog would be blamed, not the owners ignorance. but some dogs are so aggressive and needs so much precations it doesn't seem like it would ever have a happy life or be able to relax. if a dog is stuck in a situation where it'll never be able to just relax and it's always an ishue, than it seems to me like it's suffering.
As a dog trainer, my heart tells me to give the dog every chance it can get to be rehabilitated, even if not by myself. If a dog comes to me with serious human aggression problems, I'd refer them to someone with a history of rehabilitating said dogs. I don't promise miracles, and neither does anyone else I know in the field, but we do our best for the dog, even so far as to do "human training" and teaching the owner how to properly respond to the dog's behavior.<br /> <br /> And then, you get cases where it's obvious something's wrong that just can't be fixed. A dog who is fine one moment and, without any provocation whatsoever, snaps. No warning signs, nothing. Dog's happy one moment, rolling around, begging for attention, and then just turns and bites you.<br /> These dogs, I realize there is little hope for. Either they have learned to hide the warning behaviors because of being reprimanded for the warnings, or there is something medically wrong, such as a tumor, it is very, very hard to get these dogs back on track. If the tumor is inoperable, or the dog's gone so long that it's a danger to even it's owner, then I'd say, sadly, put the poor soul down.<br /> <br /> No, it's not their fault. They can't control how they've been treated. They can't control the chemistry inside their body. But for goodness' sake, think of what's kindest to the animal. If it's going to have to live it's whole life with a muzzle on, chained up in someone's back yard because it has too many problems being around people, that's just not fair. In the case of tumors or brain edema, the poor animal's probably in severe pain, making it react to everything at an escalated level, making it bite and do things it normally wouldn't do. No, it's not the dog's fault, but it's in severe pain that can't be fixed. The best scenario for that animal has become euthanasia.
I agree Crevan, I didn't post it in my posts but I was referring to dogs who have bitten and have been removed from their owners. (So that safe home would be gone) <br /> <br /> But I do not think the dog would need a trainer, trainers train, the dog would need a behavior consultant. :) <br />
A dog needs training if it is aggressive; or it simply needs to stay within the family home.<br /> <br /> Just because a dog bites doesn't mean it can't live a happy life as long as it's nice to its people. If the dog only bites strangers, for example, then just don't take the dog out where it will be in a crowded area/have the potential to attack someone. Keep it under control and make sure you know every signal it's giving off.<br /> <br /> If someone wants to take an aggressive dog out of their home, then it needs to be trained properly, or needs to wear a muzzle, simple as that. I mean, if you -know- your dog is aggressive you should be taking every precaution necessary because you -can- lose that dog if it bites someone. <br /> <br /> It's sad and I don't think it's fair that you should have to lose your dog for other people's mistakes - and here's where I make another point. A lot of dog bite incidents occur because the person who got bit was doing something they shouldn't have been doing (at least in cases of good owners having the dogs). I think there needs to be more education out there about how to act around strange dogs; no touching, petting, taunting, etc. without the owner's permission. (and no taunting at all by any means)<br /> <br /> Now if a dog is just plain out of control, as in it acts like a wild animal or something, then euthanasia may be the best thing. If the dog is stressed all the time and panics whenever it has to be around people/other dogs/anything and acts out about those situations, then it may be more fair to euthanize.<br /> <br /> However, I am not one to give up on a dog - I believe they deserve a second chance and that second chance should be with a trainer who specializes in aggression and knows what they are doing.
"A dog bred for fighting who knows nothing other than killing should be euthanized."<br /> <br /> If the circumstances proved that no one could help I would agree. However, many of the Michael Vick dogs, American Pit Bull Terriers bred specifically for dog fighting to exhibit dog aggression, and depending on whether or not he was in the "professional" area of dog fighting, gameness. Many of the dogs have been fought. The majority (only 2 had to be euthanized out of over 30 something) have been "rehabilitated" and some are even therapy dogs.<br /> Here's one of Michael Vick's fighting dogs.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad178/i_heart_dakota/001469884.jpg">Picture</a><br /> <br /> Aggression isn't black and white, aggression can also be towards something specific. And a human aggressive dog from a dog fighting line is uncommon and out of characteristic.<br /> <br /> Do I think a extremely intense dog aggressive dog should be euthanized? Absolutely not as long as there is a responsible home available. Dog aggression is characteristic of several breeds.<br /> <br />
Yes it definately depends on the sitiation and level aggression and if the cause of the aggression is just lack of socialization and whether or not it was a One time thing or if it was the owners fault not keeping a muzzle on a biting dog during public situations
In my opinion, it really depends.<br /> <br /> A dog bred for fighting who knows nothing other than killing should be euthanized. You would only be making it's life hard and miserable - plus putting many others at risk - if you chose to train and socialize the dog.<br /> <br /> On the other hand - A dog who has simply not been socialized well can change. And yes, these dogs should be trained - they can still learn, especially young dogs.<br /> I believe that before a dog is simply euthanized because there was an incident, they should have a chance to learn not be be aggressive.<br /> <br /> There is a difference between aggression and self-defense, too. Just because a dog got in a fight doesn't mean it was their fault.<br /> <br /> Just my thoughts on the matter. :)
I believe it depends on the situation.<br /> Was it provoked? Is there are reputable organization willing to take the dog if taken from their owner?<br /> <br /> When a dog bites, the case goes into the hands of law. They cannot just release the dog to someone in the public who claims to be able to.<br /> And there aren't many organizations who can do it, there are a lot of organizations and people who claim to be rehabilitating the dogs when in reality they're just shutting them down and teaching them learned helplessness.<br /> <br /> It would also depend on the severity of the aggression, where it's based from, stimulus that cause the reaction.<br /> <br /> But overall a human aggressive dog would go through a lot of stress being handled by other humans, and the vast majority of people don't know how to handle it.<br /> <br /> In a lot of situations it would be easier on the dog to be euthanized. I don't think it would be fair to put an human aggressive dogs in the hands of the forceful trainers who just teach it learned helplessness and shut it down, and it would be fairer to just end it.<br /> <br /> There are good people out there who can change the dog's reaction towards the stimulus through counter conditioning and other humane methods, if they want to take on the dog I would be okay. But they're few and far in between.
Personally, I believe a dog should only be put down if it is a serious danger (ex. mauling, etc.) and all reasonable training options have been exhausted. For example, we used to own a retriever mix that was previously "owner" of his house. We adopted him and while he was a potential disaster-in-the-making because of his dominant behavior, my dad took the time to train him to be tractable and submissive even around me, who was 5 at the time. On the flip side, we have a chihuahua who always had an aggressive streak since we adopted him, and over the years, he has only become more unpredictable, dominant, and aggressive in his old age. We have pretty much tried everything short of hiring a dog trainer for the behaviors (note that we are already fairly good at training dogs with aggression-type behaviors). He probably would have been put down if it wasn't for the fact that he can't really do much damage due to his breed and dull teeth. It helps that he gets and causes the least stress when he is mostly ignored and physically blocked from starting confrontations.

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