I support this as well.<br /> <br /> I have quit trialing my dogs. I rarely win and when I do, it isn't enough to cover the loss I incur from my other dogs. <br /> <br /> Not to mention, now that the trialing age has been dropped, maxing out a capped dog in time to trial it is next to impossible.<br /> <br /> At this point, I see no benefit to trialing any more.<br /> <br /> Just my two-cents.

i'm still in support i hate the trial limit and would love if 4th- 5th at least made entry fee back

$84k a week (I'm too lazy to play all the games and calculate the entire amount) is $336k a month, that's like.. c'mon, how is anybody even sitting here complaining that new players get nowhere?<br /> <b>$336,000</b> a month<br /> <br /> <b>EDIT:</b> I wouldn't be able to calculate the entire reachable amount through playing frisbee, because all you have to do to win (I think the cap is $1,500 or $2,000) is have a basic-trained dog LOL. You can make mad bank with a bunch of basic-trained dogs.

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Support!!!. I have a capped dog but I always almost loose with out renting out/having items that give you points. I have lost cash rather making cash (And they were my maxed capped dogs!).

Alright, more than 84k. That is still pretty significant and if you are careful, can get you pretty far.

Aust, that amount ($84,000) a week was <i>before</i> the Frisbee Challenge fix. Now, players can make more than $84k a week :P

About that newbie statement, the lower trials aren't hard to win. There are lots of unmaxed and partially maxed dogs trial in them. A Pound Project Dog can easily get you to Odie and then you could afford training for a higher TP dog, more slots or continue to save for a SC. I think Clay said that if you play all of the games you could make about 80k a week. Newbies aren't totally lost at the beginning, if they look around, they can be successful.<br /> <br /> Older members, you can make money off of a 500 TP dog like newbies can. You don't have to have millions to be successful. I personally only play the games on here and I do pretty well (okay, running 200 dogs on the FC makes me a lot but that's not the point!)

<b>I understand that, but at this point, there's no hard work involved.</b><br /> Speaking as someone who is breeding and training for the cap, yes there is a LOT of hard work. Unless you're haphazardly breeding with no concern for looks, inbreeding, breeding without maxing, etc.. it's a lot of work.<br /> <br /> <b>Once everyone gets a line to capped levels, mass-breeding happens. Why? Everyone wants to own a capped dog of this breed or that</b><br /> Not really true. I know a couple people who have bred to the cap and refuse to breed out or sell the pups because they don't want their line(s) ruined. I'm one of them, I will not be selling or breeding out from my capped line.<br /> <br /> <b>; high TP was the point of the game but mass breeding TP monsters no one wants to train isn't geting Ala anywhere.</b><br /> It's not setting us back, either. A capped, unmaxed puppy that isn't bought is not going to set Ala back, it's just like any other dog.<br /> <br /> <b>And it's not only older players who are suffering. Newbies can't do anything but dream of owning a maxed capped dog.</b><br /> They can very easily get one. I picked one up in the pound for pete's sakes lol<br /> <br /> <b>They can't afford to train one and training it themselves would literally take years if they can't win trials to buy other items like a Scholar Collar.</b><br /> They just need to buy more dog slots (the price on them hasn't changed) to get more TS to max them. Maxing dogs as a new player isn't impossible and Scholar Collars aren't rare or hard to get anymore. A new player shouldn't rush out and try and tackle a capped dog, they can easily make money with uncapped dogs (also speaking from experience here, I make lots of money trialing my uncapped dogs)<br /> <br /> <b>There's always at least one in every level of trials. Even if their owner enters the same trial on both accounts. There's no avoiding it aside from not trialling :P</b><br /> You're talking about a LOT of trials. I manage to avoid capped dogs in total lol.

I understand that, but at this point, there's no hard work involved. Once everyone gets a line to capped levels, mass-breeding happens. Why? Everyone wants to own a capped dog of this breed or that; high TP was the point of the game but mass breeding TP monsters no one wants to train isn't geting Ala anywhere. And it's not only older players who are suffering. Newbies can't do anything but dream of owning a maxed capped dog. They can't afford to train one and training it themselves would literally take years if they can't win trials to buy other items like a Scholar Collar. With this limit removed, they can get <i>somewhere</i> before facing the wall of capped dogs and still have a bit of money left to take care of their dogs.<br /> <br /> And like I said, with the amount of capped dogs in circulation, one is just starting trialling. There's <b>always</b> at least one in every level of trials. Even if their owner enters the same trial on both accounts. There's no avoiding it aside from not trialling :P

Also, I do not support giving money for the 4th and 5th place dogs. I believe the cap was put in place to help even out the economy. If everyone who enters earns money back, that just creates more money. The entrance fee's go towards the winners. If you give the 4th and 5th place dogs money back, you will either be creating money out of the Ala system, making it less valuable than it has already become, or the winners will win a tad bit more than they entered. <br /> <br /> One thing you need to see also Shinobi, is that the capped dogs move through trial levels so quickly..like I stated previously, they will not be in your level in the next few days any-who. Some people worked VERY hard to create a capped dog.I agree it brings down the custom's worth a tiny smudge, however how is this any different than someone working their butts off to breed a high TP dog? They have to go through the same pains as you and they usually do it with customs as well.<br /> Just because people don't find it fair, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. <br />