Just thought I would add this tidbit of information I dug up while searching through websites. <br /> <br /> QUOTE: "The American Staffordshire Terrier is a very muscular, stocky, yet agile dog, extremely strong for his size.The roots of the American Staffordshire Terrier can be traced through early Mastiff warriors, to the original Bulldogs in England, which were used in the bloody sport of bull baiting. When British settlers came to America, they brought dogs of various sorts with them, including Bull and Terrier types. These energetic, intelligent animals helped out as general farm dogs, guardians, stock dogs, and even as wild pig and bear hunters.In 1936, the American version was accepted into the AKC under the name Staffordshire Terrier . However, some American Pit Bull Terrier breeders were concerned that joining the AKC would move the breed too much towards conformation showing, and away from its working roots, so they remained outside the AKC and kept the name American Pit Bull Terrier. At this point, the Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier began more strongly to diverge.Today's American Staffordshire Terrier is primarily a show dog and family companion."<br /> <br /> So technically staffordshire terriers are the show version of the Pit Bull, just as many other breeds have a show version. Yes a majority do not go under a different name HOWEVER, they still have differentiated body differences.<br /> <br /> I.E. QUOTE: "The English Springer Spaniel is a medium sized compact dog. Its coat is moderately long with feathering on the legs and tail. It is a well proportioned, balanced dog with a gentle expression and a friendly wagging tail.[2] This breed represents perhaps the greatest divergence between working and show lines of any breed of dog. A field-bred dog and a show-bred dog appear to be different breeds, but are registered together. In fact, the gene pools are almost completely segregated and have been for at least 70 years. A field-bred dog would not be even remotely competitive in a modern dog show while a show dog would be unlikely to have the speed or stamina to succeed in a field trial.<br /> Field-bred dogs tend to have shorter, coarser coats than the show-bred dogs. Their ears are less pendulous. Field-bred dogs are wiry and have more of a feral look than those bred for showing. The tail of the field-bred dog is only docked by a few inches in comparison to the show dog to provide a "flag" for the hunter. Docking also prevents laceration of the tail during hunting. Field-bred dogs are generally selected for nose, hunting ability, and response to training rather than appearance.<br /> Show dogs have longer fur and more pendant ears, dewlaps and dangling flews. The tail is docked to a short stub in those countries that permit docking. They are generally more thickly boned and heavier than field-bred springers."<br /> <br /> What I mean by this is that they are practically the same breed, just under a different name. Much like the English Springer Spaniel. While it doesn't have a different name, it has a completely different aesthetic or anatomical look. Yet we don't call it a different name unlike the staffordshire and the pit. <br /> <br /> ---<br /> <br /> Now traveling onward, as a legal breeder I feel I have the right to breed my dogs as long as I can A. afford the dogs that don't leave my kennels (currently 5 until our kennel is re-started)<br /> B. Provide a home for said dog <br /> C. In my contract I do include that if the adopter can no longer care for the animal that it is to return to our kennels<br /> D. That we guarantee all of our animals, meaning if its a hunting dog it will hunt. With proper training of course. I.E buyer buys dog for hunting, dog is gun shy (though by now we would know, but lets say this one slipped under the radar), we offer to trade the dog for another that is not gun shy and shows promise in hunting. <br /> E. That are dogs are fully registered purebred dogs with papers<br /> F. We have a breeder and kennel license no matter where we move if required by the city and or state. (though we will even if not)<br /> G. Hinze Kennels has been established since 1967, our kennel is nationally known, we like to keep our reputation for great dogs.<br /> H. All of our dogs are properly taken care of, people can see the parents and all of the puppies in the litter. They are Pure Bred with papers to show their AKC registration.<br /> I. First and foremost we take Excellent care of our dogs, all their needs are met and exceeded. <br /> J. All animals are bred for Temperament, Health, Conformation, Intelligence, and Hunting and Retrieving Abilities. <br /> <br /> I could keep listing things but quite frankly, I believe you get the idea. <br /> <br /> NOW, what I was meaning before about a lot of purebreds being inbred, is that<br /> <br /> A. AKC does not have any rules banning inbreeding or line breeding from happening, they suggest it is left for experienced breeders, however they do not ban it. Of course not all dogs are like that, some breeders are honest, while others are not. You could have a dog that is its own cousin and its aunt and uncle are its mom and dad, but you may or may not know unless you look into the dogs pedigree. A pedigree that not all new buyers (especially ones just looking for a pet or hunting dog) actually care about or do. My own mother made that mistake. And yes there is quite a few impurities yes, especially when dishonest people register dogs in place of others.<br /> B. However think of it this way. AKC Registered Chocolate, Black, and Yellow labs in the 50's and 60's were severely inbred. In fact Chocolate labs while being around, started to be cultivated for color at this pointt. Because of this the Chocolate lab had a huge boom, and people did not know the extent of the damage they could potentially cause to the breed. They knew inbreeding was bad, but they did not know to what extent that they do now. Many chocolates were bred to Black labs that proved to carry the chocolate gene, or other Chocolate labs themselves. Some breeders did not inbreed their dogs, while others only cared for the profit they could make. Despite our wish that most humans were honest, the fact is most will do anything for a quick buck, especially now days as people become more disconnected with nature and more connected into their computers, games, tvs, cars, etc. While animal laws seem to be taking a turn for the better, we still run into issues. Chocolate labs, because of the intense inbreeding, have a high rating and reputation of being insane or not sound. Now they are not a bad color of lab, they may be considered to be the dumb lab of the breed, they are also the one that is the most willing to do what you ask of it. That is of course if you get a sound and sane chocolate. <br /> <br /> Another thing to consider is that all labs can be traced back to two studs. Somewhere along the lines there is going to be inbreeding and quite a lot of it. <br /> <br /> I would further explain genetics but this site: http://www.texterterriers.com/dbreeders.htm Does it better than I can. <br /> <br /> Since 1967 Hinze kennels has never had a lab, except for one female (unless they got severely sick) not live past 15 years. HOWEVER we could not have even started our kennels if our ancestors hadn't started from their very own back yard. In fact most of the breeds we have today would not have happened if humans themselves hadn't even taken to man's very own best friend. Your beautiful collies, pits, corgis, newfies, etc big and small, would never be around if we hadn't started breeding in the first place. Without backyard breeders we would not have as many breeds, nor would we have lines that are not inbred. Yes I breed for purity in our kennels, however we need the 'mutts' to further extend the breed and keep the lines running strong. Yes there are a few sneaky people that cheat the purebred system, however in a way we need those "Impurities" To keep the lines from becoming completely inbred. <br /> <br /> As for spaying and neutering dogs, yeah in most households it is needed, and yes in others accidents do happen. There is always an equal and opposite reaction to everything. I do not agree with abuse, puppy mills, kill shelters, neglect, etc. However I know that no matter what, unless the 'dog' as a whole is eliminated. With me, I love pitbulls, I also believe that if people don't continue breeding them, if they don't push to show people that they are not a bad breed, soon the breed its self will become extinct. Main reason why, because the human race in its self has a tendency to eliminate anything it fears. Mainly predators. We try to master and control everything. With so many laws being erected against the breed, it is almost best to change the name of the breed just to free them of such injustice. <br /> <br /> As for the rescues, there will always be a lot of rescues, no matter what breed you look at. If you completely halt the production of the animal, horse, cow, chickens, cats, or dogs, or even put a ban on backyard breeding you will end up with more animals on the streets than ever before, not to mention many people who want a dog can not afford the suddenly raised price. Yes its cruel, but in all honesty there will ALWAYS be stray, abused, neglected, deceased or rescued animals. The Horse market took a crash when the slaughterhouses closed, but slowly its starting to move steadily uphill. When there is no place for the horses to go. Except shelters, many get abused and neglected, others humanely euthanized, but the people who are responsible breeders cut back because they start to get left with the foals of years before. Slowing the amount of horses being put out, but gradually as the horses decrease in numbers, the economy of said animals starts to raise. Because people don't have the option to just send the animal to the slaughter house, they are less willing to breed said animal and end up stuck with it. I see a lot of the same happening with other species we hoard in our very own houses. Whether its cats and dogs to horses and goats. Think, how many rodents do not get sold in pet stores? Where do they go? Why is it that people freak out about cats and dogs, but think nothing of a rat. Is it not an animal too? Does it not take residence in many of our pet owner's homes? Domestic Rats meant to become your pet can suffer just as much neglect and horror as any dog. Case in point located here: http://www.brecklagh.com/petshops.html<br /> <br /> Just remember, there is always and equal and opposite reaction. No matter what you do, there will always be a good and bad side, a double edged sword. If animals are going to be in our lives, we must face the fact that there will always be breeders both bad and good, and there will always be dogs in a shelter as long as we continue to breed them. Yes it is sad, and I myself wish I could rescue them all, but I had to face the truth years ago. We live to die, but without death there would be no reason to live. If it weren't for those stray animals in shelters, the rescues and their sacrifice, the human race would have continued breeding until wild packs ran the streets day and night. But with the knowledge we have now, it is our choice what we do with it. Now we can make a change, we can help our children learn from our mistakes, teach them to care. But it took thousands of years to get to the extent we are at now, (it really doesn't help that many of the human race has stopped using animals for work, it aided in the amount we have now) its going to take quite a few years to get it back. Yelling at people who are honest back yard breeders (as long as they aren't selling to dog fighters) just because they have two amazing dogs that they believe could make great pups that would further help people re understand the pit bull breed. Again we come back to the double edged sword. The equal and opposite reaction. We have a tendency to take puppies over older dogs, yes that is true, yes older dogs need a good home, but if we have more people breeding pits for a good demeanor or for a certain conformation, I.E Breeding the lockjaw out of many pits. I don't see a problem because in the end it is helping the breed, making laws become more slack, and fears hold on many people's minds. On the opposite side you will always have unwanted dogs until we reach the tipping point and the past generations have passed. We can help the breed become better instead of causing further harm. I love pitbulls, and find them to be the most misunderstood dog, I can only hope that we can learn and change the future generations. But we can't do that if we refuse to breed the dogs because they aren't AKC or any other Registry. I may breed for AKC dogs, but all in all it is his choice. Instead of looking at the negative, look at the positives too. He is NOT breeding FIGHTING DOGS!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> EDIT:<br /> -----------------------------------<br /> If all dogs were AKC registered we would have nothing but inbred pups running around<br /> Untrue. The dogs in the AKC purebred lines are often inbred as is, being registered with the AKC/coming from AKC-registered lines has no effect on "inbred dogs running around".<br /> <br /> My response: I have already stated my point if you need more information: http://www.texterterriers.com/dbreeders.htm its still in that link.<br /> --------------------------<br /> <br /> Behavioral, Health issues, Temperment (some breeds should not be mixed because of their temperaments.)<br /> Any dog from any source can have this. Look at the APBT. The purebred APBT. They are dog-aggressive, they are small animal-aggressive, they are extremely active, they suffer from health issues.<br /> <br /> <br /> My Response: But the point is that you can have an increased amount. I.E. Rottweiler and Irish Setter Mix. Rotties and Irish setters are great loving dogs, however they both have temperamental issues. Not to mention the health issues of both breeds can possibly combine, or they could be eliminated depending on how the genetics and DNA matched up. <br /> <br /> Also for the APBT, if you have ever known one, they are actually statistically more willing to please than a german shepherd or a collie. In fact its because of their willingness to please that makes them so easily to train into fighting. You can train any dog into fighting, in fact a mastiff and a rottie has a harder bite pressure than the pit however the pit has the lock jaw. I have never once known a pit to be agressive to small animals, nor small children. I have known small dogs to be more vicious than any experience I have had with pits. In fact I know a chihuahua named Moose that bosses a full grown, ex dog fighting pit around. Yes any dog can be aggressive, but through selective breeding you can make the breed more aggressive. Just like pits, used to be nursemaid dogs, loved and owned by many. Until some man decided he wanted to make a fighting dog for sport.<br /> <br /> ---------------------------<br /> <br /> Missing body parts<br /> What?<br /> <br /> My Response: Blind either with or without eye balls, missing legs, ripped ears, injuries they have been given in the past. There are quite a few rescue dogs that have issues. Me personally, I wouldn't mind having rescues, I have three rescued, once highly abused, it took three months for my own Chihuahua to get used to me. Now she loves me to death. Before however she used to sneak around behind me and bite my heels before running. Again, now shes a sweet heart that won't stop licking my face or begging for extra scratchings (not that my hands aren't sore enough)<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> <br /> conformation issues<br /> In what way is this a problem at all? This is only a problem if you are interested in showing your dog. This does not cripple the dog or affect it's way of life.<br /> <br /> My Response: Wrong, confirmation issues can cripple a dog. A dog that has a sway back, hip dysplasia, Bow legged, Degenerative Disk Disease, Canine Degenerative Myopathy, pigeon toed, duck footed, or the fact that bones that do not align right can cause internal effects as well as lameness. Lets say you got a mutt, well the dog was a female lab and a small doxin. You tell me, what kind of issues would you have then? Or to put it in perspective Two pure bred labs, what you didn't know with your new puppy is that mommy had back and hip issues, daddy was bowlegged and pigeon toed. Your new puppy all of a sudden starts showing up with medical issues that are to expensive to fix. I think I have proved my point.<br /> <br /> In case I didn't here is a list. <br /> <br /> QUOTE:<br /> Other Causes of Canine Paralysis<br /> Paralysis in dogs rear legs, face, front legs and throat can occur to many diseases and conditions. Some of these conditions are mentioned in the following list:<br /> Fibrocartilaginous embolism<br /> Intervertebral disc disease<br /> Polymyositis<br /> Polyneuritis<br /> Embolus<br /> Malformation of the spine or vertebrae<br /> Injury to spine<br /> Hypothyroidism<br /> Myasthenia gravis"<br /> <br /> Many of this can be hereditary and you may not know that it is in their lines or not. At least with purebreds or backyard breeders you are able to research the parents history. With rescue pets, many of them come with unknown histories. Some people don't want to take that chance. <br /> ------------------------------<br /> <br /> Most of the time with purebreds you can pretty well count on all these things not to be there.<br /> 100%, positively, absolutely untrue. Google "hereditary disorders/diseases in purebred dogs" and I can GUARANTEE you will find lists of hereditary disorders, diseases and illnesses that go hand-in-hand with purebred dog breeds. <br /> <br /> <br /> My answer: -points to last answer- again with rescue you have no guarantee 99% of the time you are adopting a dog that's past is unknown. You get to know the current medical injuries but not its future ones. With purebreds you can track the parents history, or you have a basic guidline as to what kinds of problems commonly occur in the breed its self. <br /> ---------------------------<br /> <br /> For someone so interested in starting up a kennel, you should really read up on these kinds of things. No offense.<br /> <br /> My Response: None Taken, we are obviously on different standings of opinion. We only closed down for a short period when my dad died. We sold off our past dogs, and closed our doors until we were ready to open again. As for being interested in it, I think I have already cleared that up.<br /> -------------------------<br /> What will you be doing for the breeds you plan on breeding?<br /> <br /> My Response: To help stabilize the breed even more, provide many handicapped with well trained rescue dogs, and provide hunters with a reliable companion.<br /> <br /> _____________<br /> <br /> In what way will you preserve or help the breed progress?<br /> <br /> My Response: Selective Breeding. I already explained prior to this edit.<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> As for the rest, yes. There will be tests. Must I explain more about my kennels? Do you need to know my acerage too? I think 40 acres is quite enough to run all my dogs, horses (two soon to be three when my horse foals within the week), chickens (25 Road Island Red hens), cattle (6 head, long horns) , and house myself on top of that. Sure we are a little late starting back up, but that is because we are VERY selective of our dogs and other animals. We meet each one individually before even bringing them home. When im not out being an AQHA Horse Trainer Apprentice, I am working with my dogs, horses, cattle, and chickens. As well as my various indoor animals (that do get to go outside with me, not including the fish). I have a lot of experience, I am not the best breeder or dog expert out there, to claim that would mean that I have nothing left to learn. That is arrogant and foolish. I am constantly learning on a daily basis, my animals teach me as much as I teach them.
