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Poll Discussion: Capped Dogs
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Before you speak here, please be sure to read the news post on 7Aug2013.

We're looking for honest opinions about the options in the polls, and are specifically looking to hear what people with over the capped dogs prefer as their choice.

Edit: Please remember there is no "Just don't do this" option. We will be changing things regarding the Aviator caps, so come up with a solution that isn't one we listed. But please don't just say "Don't do this" as we will not be considering that.

Edit 2: In accordance with admin discussion: Aviator caps will no longer be stackable no matter what, this is not up for debate, but the solution for over the cap dogs is what we are discussing here.

10-7-2013 at 7:37 PM
I like Thylacine2's Idea, I also like Starboard Aussies' Idea, but I like Thylacine2's better, however Thylacine2's idea could cause lag, and it would probably be difficult or complex to code... I'm not sure though.

09-30-2013 at 10:06 AM
Oh, I see.<br /> Sorry for being dumb. I do that often.

09-13-2013 at 10:09 AM
Saxon, we do not see it as anyone has "cheated" - the base trial system was simply not designed to accommodate TPs above cap. This has made it very unfair because we let it get so far, because we didn't see it hurting that much... when it really has started to.

09-12-2013 at 4:33 PM
There are a lot of people with aviator caps who were simply carried away with the race for the highest tp. Is taking advantage of the circumstances cheating? If so, then almost everyone has cheated except maybe the hermit who lives by himself on a mountain somewhere and only eats beans and rice. You know what I mean! I just think that the whole thing got too out of hand. I don't think anyone cheated.

09-12-2013 at 12:12 PM
People with Aviator Caps kind of cheated from what I know.

09-7-2013 at 8:32 AM
What if the tp was lowered to the cap, however, to repay users for the effort of raising a dog's tp to, say, 22000, like Rosencrown, for every 1000 tp that the dog lost when lowered the user would recieve 1 bone. Obviously the details can change, it could be $100k for each 100 tp, or $1 for 1 tp, but the important part is the idea. Users with over the cap dogs would be payed in return for all the effort that was wasted.
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2013-09-07 08:33:33 by #29935

08-25-2013 at 6:43 PM
Are TPs the main thing that matters? If so, I think that you should up the influence of things like drive, speed and personality factors.

08-22-2013 at 11:17 PM
As I think about this more... Yeah, the entire goal of alacrity for probably the majority of players is to breed the highest TP possible. When the cap was put in place, people reached it almost immediately. Now, the majority of the player base has 'won' the game, by owning one or more maxed capped dogs. Maybe the answer is not to get rid of OTC dogs, but to remove the cap entirely, but tweak the way that TP and breeding work. Perhaps a system in which TP gets exponentially harder and harder to gain per point (instead of how it is now, where the more points you have, the more you get.) So that in theory, there is no cap, but in practice, the TP of a dog is equal to the effort put into it, but dogs in general are not too far apart. Also perhaps make the TP of 'lazy' dogs slide backwards, so that it not only requires the time to train, but constant effort to keep up an impressive TP. Dogs that don't trial, or 'practice' their skills would loose their skills. I think this would make the game fair again, more effort=more TP, instead of more time=more TP.

08-21-2013 at 7:54 PM
Cap raised ? No...thanks. That'd probably create more problems than fix most. Clever idea though, never would have though of that.

08-16-2013 at 2:57 PM
What if the cap was raised instead of the TP lowered? The new cap could be 9999.99, then those people with dogs that are over the current cap could keep them and still get to trial them and breed them. No dog could ever get past the new cap because the aviator caps would be recoded, and a new generation of breeding would be introduced for those who breed for high tp. Everyone would win.

08-15-2013 at 7:36 PM
I think lots of people have made good suggestions. I liked the one where dogs kept their TP, but when trialing were treated as if they had 8999.91 TP. <br /> <br /> I don't like the first option, if you had a really high OTC dog it would take away a whole lot of money and work. <br /> <br /> The second option would be terrible if you had a dog just a bit over the cap. Imagine if you trained a capped dog for months, and then put an aviator cap on for a day or so, and had a 9000 TP OTC dog, and had it all taken away. <br /> <br /> I think if we go with one of the first 2 options given to us, that we need to have the choice between the 2. <br /> <br /> In my opinion though, I don't see a problem leaving the OTC dogs' TP as it is and don't let anymore pass the cap. They'd get to a higher level of trialing than any of the under the cap dogs, and therefore wouldn't be a problem with the limited amount of OTC dogs.

08-14-2013 at 10:29 AM
No I meant that as in reply to other users in the forums, news post, and poll option saying that they should be unable to trial lol

08-14-2013 at 10:04 AM
We are not asking that capped dogs be unable to trial.<br /> <br /> The option is that over the capped dogs be unable to trial due to the now inability to reach over the cap.<br /> <br /> I still say I prefer the suggestion of leaving the dogs as they are, and letting them go into trials and be scored only as a capped dog, any points after cap being null.

08-14-2013 at 3:28 AM
The purpose of breeding dogs on Alacrity is to get higher TP and in turn, make more money off of trials. If we were to make capped dogs unable to trial, we'd be giving people no reason to try and breed for the cap.

08-11-2013 at 11:04 AM
I like your idea, Kraft. That way, people who have an Over the Cap dog can have something special. Also, if the owners wanted to sell them, it probably would sell high, maybe higher than the price of the items they bought?

08-10-2013 at 3:05 AM
I myself do not have any over the cap dogs but I do have a few capped dogs. (Please don't ask me how many because I can't remember lol.) I think that we should leave over the cap dogs alone and not take away the ability to go over the cap. Instead, I think we should put a limit on the number of trial wins a dog has. I don't remember what the tiers were for trials but this way, we would still be able to go over the cap and trial those dogs but you wouldn't be able to take over the trials no matter how many times you used age reversing items. While I will be sad that Aviator Caps no longer stack, it won't kill me to find new and challenging ways to up my dogs TP.

08-9-2013 at 9:42 PM
If something has to be done, (which I can see it does,) I support Kraft's suggestion.<br /> Also, I'm hoping that people know that Aviator Caps are not the only things that make dogs go over the cap. I used a Soldier Helmet to get the first husky over the cap.

08-9-2013 at 9:02 PM
I read the update and I understood; I looked at the poll options and mentally recoiled; both sound like terrible alternatives, in my opinion.<br /> <br /> That being said, you'd be hard-pressed to find a fair alternative. I think it might be easier if we knew how trialing will work (not saying that information should be published, just noting that we can't make a fully informed suggestion without it), but I did see a few ideas that I think might work, with modifications. <br /> <br /> I think TP should definitely stand with breeding; if there's a cap of 9K, even if it's bred to another capped dog, it doesn't sound like the pups would be able to be above capped anyways. <br /> <br /> As for trialing, I think HoneyB's suggestion is my favorite, with adjustments. Perhaps depending how much the dogs are over the cap (I don't know the range of amounts over), it could be a sliding scale on the TP of the replacement dog they receive, starting at 1000 or so (to prevent flooding the game with maxed capped dogs, which would make all of this irrelevant) and going upwards from there with every so many points over the cap earning another such amount of TP on the replacement dog. The trade-off would be that the OTC dog would have their trialing disabled.

08-9-2013 at 6:24 PM
I honestly have thought about this for months. But something always seemed off with Ala and how dogs are valued. What I came up with is the TP system in general. TP is HEAVILY relied upon above everything else. If there were more stats it may help alleviate this. If you look. There is also the fact that TP doesn't get harder to raise as you get higher up. The only thing that's hard is the time it takes to train but overall the stat moves up easily. I feel like the formula needs tweaked with and more stats added. I think dogs overall need a re-haul of how things are done and valued. Perhaps if TP was separate entirely from the other 9 skills and the 9 skills themselves had more importance and interacted a little bit differently. I'm not sure ^^: this was slightly off topic but I felt it somehow related to what was being discussed. Perhaps this will be invalid when the new trial system is out =)

08-9-2013 at 5:41 PM
Kraft no one did anything wrong and no is being punished for something no one did. They are just trying to make the game fair in trails for everybody.

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