06-4-2011 at 2:45 AM

Actually, the technical term is a fetus. I am not calling it an unborn child, because the actual term for it is fetus. And actually, the mental anguish that can be brought on from pregnancy hormonal changes, as well as hormone changes after childbirth are much worse. Especially if the woman develops postpartum depression. The would be father does not have to worry about hormonal changes such as those.<br /> <br /> EDIT: Also, I can technically call the fetus a thing if I want to.>.> Normally I do refer to them by their proper name (fetus), but I can call it a thing as well if I wish. Although I'm more likely to refer to them by the term parasite then thing considering they act in very parasitic ways.

06-4-2011 at 2:28 AM

but he still doesn't have to carry the thing for nine months and then go through the painful process of birth to deliver it.<br /> <br /> No insted when she decides to kill the baby (not thing call it what it is a unborn child please) he has to go threw the mental anguash of knowing he could have been a dad, he could have had a child to hold and love and teach how to do things.

06-4-2011 at 2:09 AM

Yes, he had a part in making in, but he still doesn't have to carry the thing for nine months and then go through the painful process of birth to deliver it. Like I said, yeah, I think they should discuss it, but I think her say should be the final say.

06-4-2011 at 2:00 AM

Also, you never answered my question aboutwhoa there victims.<br /> <br /> I believe they should have a choice because in the creation of that child they had no choice in the matter.<br /> <br /> In the end, it is still the woman's choice. Her body, her choice.<br /> <br /> He played a part in the makeing of that child. did she climb on top of herself and get pregnet? i dont think so! its a mutual thing yet later on he has no say? Its just not right.

06-4-2011 at 1:36 AM

I do believe that if the man and woman are in a committed relationship, they should discuss it beforehand, but in the end, it still isn't his choice. You say you've seen men cry after someone aborted a fetus? I've seen men force women to have a child that, in the end, they dumped on the woman and played no part in taking care of, just because they didn't like abortion. In the same vein, men should not be able to force women to have an abortion, which has happened before because they didn't want the child when the woman did. In the end, it is still the woman's choice. Her body, her choice.<br /> <br /> Also, you never answered my question aboutwhoa there victims.

06-4-2011 at 1:25 AM

<br /> Uh...I can understand telling the father that you aborted the fetus, but in the end, it still isn't his choice.<br /> <br /> Why not? He had a part in the makeing of that child as well, why does he not get a say in what happends to it? Its just wrong! Ive seen grown men cry when they found out they COULD have had a baby and the woman they where with decided to abort the baby.<br /> <br /> But it isn't murder because the key thing here is that it will grow into a living child. Grow into. Not start out as. Grow into. If it can't survive outside the womb, it can't be considered murdered. <br /> <br /> Acculey there are plenty of cases where woman who have tryed killing themselfs wile they where pregnet where held on trial for murder. <a href="http://www.parenting.com/blogs/show-and-tell/melanie-parentingcom/suicidal-pregnant-woman-charged-murder-attempted-feticide"> click </a> heres one

06-4-2011 at 12:20 AM

Uh...I can understand telling the father that you aborted the fetus, but in the end, it still isn't his choice. He isn't the one dealing with what could be described as a parasite for nine months and then having to go through that fun little process called birth.<br /> <br /> And what about in the case ofwhoa there? Would you force the victim to have the child then? Because that is just wrong. They have been through enough due to thewhoa there, but to then force them through all the pain of pregnancy and childbirth. Then the child would either be forced into the horrible foster care system, or raised by a mother who might view the child as a punishment for beingwhoa thered and not love said child. <br /> <br /> But it isn't murder because the key thing here is that it will grow into a living child. Grow into. Not start out as. Grow into. If it can't survive outside the womb, it can't be considered murdered. The fetus feels no pain and has no emotions and is in no way human.<br /> <br /> Also, I just have to say I hate all those anti-choice (because it is not pro-life*) websites with pictures of aborted fetuses saying that's what all abortions look like. When, in fact, they use pictures of late term abortions, which are only legal in the case of saving the mother's life; and it is not what it looks like in the normal early abortions.<br /> <br /> *I say this because if abortion becomes illegal, back-alley abortion becomes much more common, which can take the lives of women who are desperate enough to partake in them. Along with many other reasons.

06-3-2011 at 11:32 PM

<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_United_States-2011-10-03.svg/350px-Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_United_States-2011-10-03.svg.png"> CLICK </a> in michigan it is, yet they still kill chirldren here. also in North Dakota, Minn., Iowa, Wis. W.V., N.J, R.I., Vt. and Main.

06-3-2011 at 11:24 PM

<i>The death penalty was abolished because a few innocent men where killed, yet Abortion goes on, and those are ALL innocent children.</i><br /> <br /> I am not weighing in on this subject at this time, but this point needs correcting -- capital punishment has NOT been abolished. <br /> <br /> States which still practice capital punishment: <br /> Alabama<br /> Arizona<br /> Arkansas<br /> California<br /> Colorado<br /> Connecticut<br /> Delaware<br /> Florida<br /> Georgia<br /> Idaho<br /> Indiana<br /> Kansas<br /> Kentucky<br /> Louisiana<br /> Maryland<br /> Mississippi<br /> Missouri<br /> Montana<br /> Nebraska<br /> Nevada<br /> New Hampshire<br /> North Carolina<br /> Ohio<br /> Oklahoma<br /> Oregon<br /> Pennsylvania<br /> South Carolina<br /> South Dakota<br /> Tennessee<br /> Texas<br /> Utah<br /> Virginia<br /> Washington<br /> Wyoming<br /> <br /> ALSO<br /> - U.S. Gov't<br /> - U.S. Military<br /> (source: <a href="http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/states-and-without-death-penalty">deathpentaltyinfo.org</a>)<br /> <br /> <i>*Statement applies within the U.S.</i><br /> <br>

06-3-2011 at 10:41 PM

I don't like the idea of Abortion. I DO consider it murder. If allowed to live it WOULD be a living breathing human being. To say its not is a way of desensitizing yourself to the truth, so you don't fell bad about it later. <br /> <br /> The death penalty was abolished because a few innocent men where killed, yet Abortion goes on, and those are ALL innocent children.<br /> <br /> I can only see it IF the parent is going to die, or if there are major health issues for the child and quality of life came into question. <br /> <br /> As for the "oh but its a woman choice because its HER body" defense on it, what about the guy? I know a few guys who found out later that there girlfriend went out and got an abortion after getting pregnant by them and where devastated. Some found out wile she was still pregnant, begged and pleaded for the child and the woman went out and killed it because she didn't want it. Is that fair? I think not.<br /> <br />

06-3-2011 at 7:37 AM

Abortion?<br /> <br /> I'm cool with it.

06-3-2011 at 2:40 AM

Actually, I despise the murder defense. It's not murder, because the fetus could not survive out of the womb. It is not a human being, it is a fetus, which acts very much like a parasitic creature. At the point that the fetus COULD survive outside the womb and be technically called a human being, abortion is illegal anyways because it would be so late in the pregnancy. The only time abortion is legal that late is if the baby and or mother would not survive the childbirth process.<br /> <br /> I am completely pro-choice. It's a woman's body and she can do what she wants with it. Nobody is for abortion, techincally, they are for choice. There is a difference. Nobody likes the abortion procedure, but I think it is vital to realize that if abortion became illegal, then their would be illegal, unsafe, back-alley abortions. Which...I'm not even getting into, because they are horrible things.<br /> <br /> Personally, if I got pregnant, I can tell you now I would be getting an abortion. I don't want to go through childbirth and I don't particularly want children. If my spouse wants children, we can adopt. (Another reason I would have an abortion is because I will most likely be marrying another woman.>.> So...if I got pregnant....yeah.) And if I did marry a man, I would be on the pill and probably making him use protection as well just to be safe.<br /> <br /> Also, I really really hate the "there's adoption" argument. Our adoption/foster care system is horrible and are pretty much already full of children that parents didn't want or couldn't take care of. And a fair amount of said children grow up unloved in said system until they are 18 and are thrown back out on the street.<br /> <br /> And if being pregnant is a consequence and women are forced to give birth, they are most likely not going to love that child the way they should. Especially if they consider it a punishment for having sex, they aren't going to be so happy about that "bundle of joy" that they were forced to carry for nine months and then give birth to.<br /> <br /> Also, I'm pretty sure we had an old topic about this, but I'm happy to see it started back up either way.XD