Personally, I couldn't do a new riddler image with great quality if I tried.<br /> The one thing I like so much about the old one, is how the dog looked daring and mischievous. Something this new one doesn't have. With a change to the facial expression, I think that the riddler image would look much better then the old one.

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I think the image is wonderfully done, I don't care about anatomy and I can not draw so I feel guilt when judging art.<br /> <br /> My only opinion, the image does not fit with the riddler. When I go to the riddler page, it just isn't as exciting now. He needs to look more menacing and then I'd have been 100% happy with it.

I honestly think that if anyone believes that the riddler image is terrible and needs a lot of changes, then they might as well do it themself. Artists on ala go through a lot, with thousands of people critiquing their art, and they have to hear the good and bad. <br /> <br /> I like the new riddler and I'm glad that there is in fact an image for the riddler.

it matters that the drawing anatomically correct? why? (not being sarcastic, asked innocently) i just thought it needs to be a beautiful picture that everyone could agree on. i had no idea people were upset with the accuracy of the drawings. interesting.

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I actually like the riddler image. I'm sure a lot of time when into it, and I don't like to have people waste their time. Even though we did have that suggestion thread, here really wasn't a follow up thread to REALLY see what the users wanted, or a poll of some sort to vote.<br /> <br /> I think that, yes, while I did like the previous one, this one is a lto more sphosticated. The previous one wasn't drawn by the staff now (correct me if I'm wrong) but was a part of a contest, almost like the fanart contest for the two mascots of ala.<br /> <br /> we needed a new image and I like this one a lot. :)

<img src="http://lovethepets.com/Pets/6-australian-shepherd-thumb-334x250-333.jpg"><br /> <br /> <img src="http://www.mydogbreed.com/images/train-australian-shepherd.jpg"><br /> <br /> <img src="http://www.alacritysim.com/images/riddler.png"><br /> <br /> The crits saying the legs are too thick, that Aussies are "petite" animals, etc. etc. don't make sense to me. Looking at photo reference, and the fact I own a mini-Aussie, the dogs are built thick and sturdy.<br /> <br /> I can agree, comparing photos to the drawing, that the lower back legs might be a tad too long, but could easily be fixed by adding a buffer of fluff between the thigh and ankle areas. The elbows, when looking at photo reference, look, to me, to be in the correct position. Aussies also have fairly thick, boxy paws, and while the drawing may not have them 100% anatomically accurate, they do convey the boxiness of actual Aussie paws. As can also be seen in the photos, Aussies do have fairly rotund skulls, which is also conveyed in the drawing.<br /> <br /> The neck, when compared to photos, does not look too long to me, but the head could possibly do with being just a smidge larger, which I can attempt to edit and see how it looks.<br /> <br /> Also, on the white vs. black whiskers, my Borzoi has black whiskers on one side of his face, and white whiskers on the other, but his muzzle's fur is totally white. So it's not impossible that black whiskers would grow from white fur.<br /> <br /> However, these are very minor things, and nothing I would say discredits the image as a "bad" image, which I'm sure isn't what anyone means to say. :}<br /> <br /> Just wanted to point those things out. It may also be worth mentioning that Xylax did a heavy redline of the original sketch, and he owned an Aussie for years and was very familiar with how they look. This doesn't mean it's totally devoid of mistakes, but those that do exist are extremely minor.

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Don't you think it's Fascinating how shortly after this thread began, we got a miniupdate saying this "negativity" is Disrespectful? What i wish to know is how is an opinion disrespectful? and the fact that they showed us the Correct way to say our negative opinion. I Hate Sugarcoating, no matter how many fancy words you throw in there, it means the Same thing.

I do like the shading and colors of the riddler, but, I don't remember many members voting for regular dogs to be the riddler. The members obviously see it as being something wise, tricky, or crazy. Whereas a normal dog is just...normal.<br /> <br /> Though many may not know or remember, the original riddler was a fox with branches growing out of it's back. That riddler belonged to a member, hence why it was taken down and replaced with a picture of Karma, the old mascot, which was one of the winners of the mascot contest.<br /> <br /> I also agree that the riddler should be something unique, with a tricky look to it, and a certain aura that just says riddler.<br /> <br /> As for anatomy, I completely agree with Inno. I wouldn't have known it was an aussie until someone said so. The paws, in my opinion, are also far too detailed for the breed. Aussies have very fluffy paws, and they aren't so defined.<br /> <br /> Other then that, inno pretty well pointed out most of the issues I can see.<br /> <br /> I just think it'd be much better for a shop mascot or something, instead of the riddler.

Well, I feel like I should get this off my chest. After I post this I'm not going to reply to anything else involving this unless it's the artist asking me to elaborate more on it. So here's an okay critique, I hope.<br /> <br /> I think the shading is very nice, I like the almost lineless look to it but people seem to be mistaking that for 'realism' when actually this image is very cartoon-looking in the long run. Sorry if you were going for that realistic style, but it wasn't met. At best this is semi-realistic, which fits the site better but still the piece stands out from the site due to this semi-realistic quality.<br /> <br /> The thing that hugely bothers me, because I look directly at them first, is the back legs and the elbows. <br /> <br /> The back legs are not right, the hock/foot is too long, meaning the tibia of the back leg is also too short. The femur and tibia should be about the same length while the hock/foot should be shorter. With the animal standing normally you should be able to draw a line from the middle of the hip and down and hit the hock joint straight on.<br /> <br /> The front legs, the elbows, are not where they should be. The elbow, when standing, should be located 'under' the rib cage. In this case, the humerus of the dog is too short.<br /> <br /> The leg thickness for this breed is far too thick, these dogs are fairly petite. Also the paws are not of the breed either, they're structured completely wrong. Aussies appear to have fairly long paws, they're also not very thin but they're not too thick either.<br /> <br /> The neck is too long and I personally think the dog is holding it's head too high.<br /> <br /> The face is not an Aussie face.. The muzzle is not long or boxy enough, and as a rule whiskers are white as long as the dog's white coat touches that section of whiskers. The eyes are wayyy too big and are not far enough apart. The ears are not equal in size, and that bothers me as well. One might be folded and the other sticking up, one might be farther away than the other but there isn't that much of a size difference in either excuse.<br /> <br /> The head also seems too round for the breed, should be more of a blocky head. I would also vote that the head is too small for the body and that the neck or mane is far too big, but this might be the cause of the head being too small.<br /> <br /> I hope this is good enough... Enjoy.

Opinion: No like :P <br /> <br /> Why: Look, no offense to anyone, anything, or site site, but the picture looks boring. The last riddler was crazy looking that was like 'Wahaha! I'm the riddler and no one can beat me!' and it was like in a little pose. The new image is... like kinda expressionless it's saying 'Hi, I'm passing through to go play some more fetch. Ahh!! Something got in my eye!' and it's just standing there, not really doing anything. And an Aussie?? In my opinion, that's not really a 'crazy riddler' breed. GSD was much better :) True, the old one was more cartoon y, but it's way better. If the old one could be more realistic, I'm sure everyone would be fine with it :) <br /> <br /> Just my opinion, and again no offense