I dunno, decided to address the initial post.<br /> <br /> By this point, I'm wishing I hadn't, and banging my head on my desk in frustration.<br /> <br /> Jambers; the news page is a bit of an inappropriate place for it. Wysper did say that the discussion could be moved, and here we are, expressing our opinions openly, unhindered.

I don't understand why you guys are going after the staff, if you don't like what they try to do for this site maybe then all you guys should leave (just my opinion don't hurt little wolf puppy!)

Gueist asked a question i answered. Thats how it got from art to the current topic.

How did this get from talking about the Riddler art to "The Staff are acting like gods?"

Yes but where does it say that speeking our minds weather it be in agreement or not is "NOT" allowed on the comments section of the news page? If they want only positive feedback they should change the wording of that particuler forum from "Comments" to "agree with us"

"You are welcome to take it to the Debate or General Discussion Forums, but please not here."

"Guys, while the comments are great... a Critique of the new image was NOT asked for. I understand your concerns, but the News post is not the best place to discuss it. You are welcome to take it to the Debate or General Discussion Forums, but please not here. :-) Thank you! ^..^ Wysper"<br /> <br /> You have to go to read all replys to see it.

I'd really like clarification. Can someone please tell me precisely where a member of staff was attempting to suppress opinions? I saw opinions that didn't hold the Riddler image in high regard, and I saw opinions showing dislike for <i>that</i> opinion, but I scanned through and I can't see where anyone was told to shut up or that they absolutely weren't allowed to speak their mind.<br /> <br /> All I see is Carni asking for <u>a little more tact</u>. Seriously. Here's her initial post so it can be re-read.<br /> <br /> "Thank you, Geist, and others who support the change. It's good to know that the hard work by the art team to improve the site is appreciated by some. :} The resistance to change is understandable, but people could be much more tactful with their opinions. I hope they will be in the future, when the efforts of the art team continue to bring about additions and improvements." <br /> <br /> Here's your reaction to it, Eden.<br /> <br /> "Carni; That comment angers me. Who said we didn't appreciate it? We are simply giving what we thought about the image, it's our opinions. As always, I'm sure we will grow used to it, but not everyone is going to like the same thing. Others are different. I'd hate to argue, but we DO appreciate all the work you've done, and it makes me angry that you would take our different opinions as "hate" and "unappreciative"."<br /> <br /> I don't get it. My own reply was slightly more acerbic than Carni's, but I'm not a member of staff (I stepped down as site artist months ago), and that reply is obviously addressed to Carni.. and your initial post in this thread seems to be aimed at her. So.. I'm left scratching my head. <b>Where does Carni even mention hate?</b><br /> <br /> This is reaching an astounding level of ridiculousness.<br /> <br /> <img src="http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/781/riddler.jpg">

I think the Riddler art is wonderful, the artists did a very great job with it. I mean it looks like a real dog that's playful and happy. I say it is just perfect really and I don't understand why everyone is saying it could be done better. <br /> It looks like a dog on Ala like a mascot, and I say that adding like a silly hat, or making it's pose a lot more lively could be overkill. I am going with the artists, cause they did a really great job with this and it doesn't really need changing it's not like your going to see it every single day and have to look at it 24/7 it's just to make a page more Ala I guess. <br /> <br /> I don't think it looks boring at all it looks like it's got it's own hidden personality and the fact that it's an Aussie brings out the more agility side in Ala I mean Aussies and Border collies are great in agility courses right? I just think that we should be grateful that the Ala artists came up with something as great as this as the new Riddler. I don't care if no one else agrees it's just my own opinion

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I have made some adjustments to the Riddler's face, since that seemed to be the main point of complaint. The tongue is shorter, the dog is winking, and the visible eye is now green as a very vague nod to The Riddler from the Batman franchise. X} You may refresh your pages to see it.<br /> <br /> I'm not one to allow my emotions to get in the way of room for improvement. However, this is the last change that will be made to the image. If you still dislike it, that's fine. You're allowed to dislike it. I just aim to point out that being gentle and civil with suggestions on improving an item is much better than ripping a piece apart or being overly critical. And taking -one- incident and the words of one or two staff, and using it to claim that the art team doesn't care about what the users want, well...that's honestly uncalled for, especially considering how much stock we put into user suggestions for items/themes/etc.<br /> <br /> You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, as they say.<br /> <br /> It's also worth mentioning that we had planned to use completely different images for the "I win" and "you win" pages, so that you get a fun, visual reaction to each outcome. So for the complaints about how it doesn't fit the "you beat me" or "I win" messages, the plans to overcome this were already in the works. :P

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