I must admit, I liked the old riddler better. I liked that derpy face on him, with the frog. Plus, it doesn't really match the, "Bwahaha, I am the Riddler..." thing. The artists did do a good job on it, but, I'll miss the old one. :c<br /> <br /> Maybe if they added a derpy face or other animal to express the emotion of the riddler, it may get more positive comments. Only my opinion.

Art is one of the MAJOR draws to Ala. <br /> Honestly, I would not be here if it weren't for the amazing art. <br /> (see, I DO appreciate the art :P)<br /> <br /> <br /> Also, I'd like to point something out.<br /> <a href="http://elementalspirits.deviantart.com/art/Treefox-172339017">Here's the old Riddler image.</a><br /> It's not our Riddler anymore due to copyright claims because it was a commission. <br /> But you can see how much more unique and interesting that is. <br /> It's not just the expression either, it's the pose and just the whole setting he's in.<br /> It's just kind of disappointing when the Riddler image finally DOES get updated and it's....boring.<br />

I first off don't want to insult anybody. I think the artistry is great, and it's a cute little dog that seems to represent Ala. But at the same time it doesn't seem to have a "Riddler" image. The Riddler to me, no matter what the art is, he'll be a prankster. I think the old art was perfect, but I do agree that art needs to be update to fit the "new" style of the site. Despite what others say, (and my personal opinion), I think we should accept it, and even if there's no art at all for the Riddler, we can still have the mental knowledge of what the Riddler is to <i>you</i>. Personally, I think we're overreacting to a small game that doesn't even really need art. :)

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When people got into more lengthy criticism of it, yeah, it ought to go to the forums, but it just sounded more like you were chastising everyone who didn't like it. I understand that you didn't want to single people out, but when you're that vague it ends up sounding more like you're telling everyone what they have to say is invalid. That's not what you intended, that's just what it came off as to a lot of people. I'd have said something more like "you're entitled to your own opinions, but some of the critique here is getting too lengthy and you might want to take it to the Debate forum" or whatever, something that makes it clear that you're really only referring to the people who got too wordy with their criticism. <br /> <br /> I think people are afraid to message the artists more directly if it's someone they've never talked to before. At least for me, I'd feel a bit like it isn't my place to go directly to them and pester them rather than just putting it out there on the news comments for them to take or leave. That's just me, but it could also be what some of the others are feeling, I don't know :P <br /> <br /> "I don't understand why you guys are going after the staff, if you don't like what they try to do for this site maybe then all you guys should leave (just my opinion don't hurt little wolf puppy!)"<br /> <br /> Nobody was really going after the staff. Originally people were only saying what they liked or disliked about the image (with a few exceptions). I don't think most people "didn't like what they try to do for the site" or anything, just didn't like that particular image.

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I don't understand why you guys are going after the staff, if you don't like what they try to do for this site maybe then all you guys should leave (just my opinion don't hurt little wolf puppy!)<br /> <br /> Who said we didn't like what they do with the site? We disagree with them on some things so we should leave? In that case to use your own logic since you disagree with the current topic you should just leave as well.

I LOVE the new riddler! I think it was done very well! I am artist myself so I am no complaining. Some people just seem to over exaggerating just because it wasn't what everyone expected. OH WELL!!! It will changed again down the road. It always changes. Also, there's been several discussions about what the new riddler should be and mostly everyone agreed upon the Aussie as far as I know. I also find it disrespectful calling someone's art boring. You could say. "It wasn't what I expected," or "I don't really like it but it is nice looking." <br /> <br /> I am stating my opinion, and I know everyone has their own opinion u.u

I think you were reading too much into what I was saying, Pelo. I had no intention of saying that anyone who disliked it was being ungrateful, I've never had a problem with someone having their own opinion. However, there were people who seemed to be getting sincerely irritated and who really didn't appreciate the change at all. While they have a right to how they feel, I don't think it was the most tactful thing to say it on the news page.<br /> <br /> In no way did I intend to refer to absolutely everyone who had a suggestion about making the Riddler image better. But I was trying to avoid singling anyone out and making them feel attacked or targeted.<br /> <br /> A lot can get lost in translation, and I am sorry to those who felt like anything I said was out of line. But I feel that a lot of assumptions are being made, and misunderstandings are spiraling out of control.<br /> <br /> I've made fixes to the image. If I didn't care an ounce what anyone thought, I wouldn't have bothered. My only point was that there is a proper time and place for offering critiques or suggestions, such as what's here right now. In the forums, or even in private messages where you can bring your concerns directly to the artists. I had people who IMed me about the husky art, pointing out a few things that could easily be fixed, and I did so. But when you respond to a news post saying "Here is something the art team has done for you, we hope you like it!" with critiques and judgements that weren't asked for, it comes off as rude, abrasive, and unappreciative, even if that's not the intent. You don't have to pay for the Riddler image, it's free and was done as a site improvement. While you have every right to your own opinion, it isn't always socially polite to pick that thing apart and critique it out in the open, where it will encourage others to express their dissatisfaction. Like I said before, you're allowed not to like something, and to have your opinion, but you also need to be mindful of where you are putting that opinion and how you are going to come across. We're not art machines and we won't always get everything absolutely perfect, and there will always be people who don't like it no matter what we do. But we're still human beings who, I feel, deserve common courtesy and social etiquette. I've personally always found it to be a rude gesture when I see people on other sites just saying things like "meh, I don't like it" or "they shouldn't have changed it, the old thing was better" and so on, as well as people who offer very cutting critique rather than being mindful of their tone and the execution of what they're trying to say. But maybe that's just me.<br /> <br /> In any case, that's all I have left to say on the matter. :P

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It was more implied than directly stated. Thanking the people who <i>support the change</i>, saying it's good that it's <i>appreciated by some</i> as if don't support the artists if we don't like the picture. Basically it felt a lot like Carni was telling us that if we don't like the image and say so, we are hating on the art team and being ungrateful and we should just shut up. That's not what she literally said, but it's what it felt like to a lot of people. I didn't see a lot of people being especially tactless, just a lot of "well I like the old one better because _____ and the new one needs more ____" or "I think the expression is ____". And yet people were chastised as if they'd barged in screaming OMG IT SUX!!1. Everyone was told they were "smearing the work across the front page" and "art is unappreciated" and whatnot. And now everyone's being told that the news is an inappropriate place for that. But for what? For saying "I don't like this new version"? I was unaware that the news comments were required only to be positive. If someone doesn't like it, they ought to have the right to say so. No, they shouldn't run in yelling "omg i hate it it's terrible it sucks", but I didn't see anyone doing that. Yes, when it turns into an argument it should be taken to the forum, but if we're not allowed to simple say we dislike something in the news, I find that kind of unfair.<br /> <br /> The thing is, the vast majority of people said it was good art, just that they didn't like something about it, made it clear that it was just their opinion and so forth. The only people I saw being rude were the ones implying that anyone who dislikes the image doesn't appreciate the artists and doesn't support the staff and should feel bad about it. If someone doesn't think the new Riddler picture is suitable, that doesn't mean they don't appreciate the staff's work. All it means is that they didn't like that one specific picture. It bothers me that people would take that and spin it into people directly hating on the artists' work and being unappreciative. <br /> <br /><br /> (I have to say, though, the new face is rather adorable. I'd still give him a silly hat or something but that's just me.)

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Well I take back what I said before about it being just a dog, the new face is adorable :D<br /> <br /> Thank you Carni!