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Steaks
#5484 • 695 views
Posted: 2012-03-13 08:30:44
#10516
Pedigree Dogs Exposed: The Years On
I'd like to say that anybody who HASN'T seen "Pedigree Dogs Exposed", watch the first half of this movie. For those who have, watch the second: http://www.lifewithdogs.tv/2012/02/pedigree-dogs-exposed-three-years-on/
I figured this would be more suitable for 18+ because I don't feel like having this dragged into Debate to be fought over. I'd rather have it here so mature people can watch it, for those who take interest in this sort of thing.
No matter how much a person loves their dog, I don't think anyone wants to see their dog suffer, Ibizan.<br /> <br /> My grandmother had a pug, and because of the pug's flat face, he was often getting into problems whenever he roamed the house. And towards the end of his life, his eye ended up getting pulled out by an object that was sticking out. <br /> <br /> Even a pug with a longer muzzle, like one in this <a href="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4766896568_3faf51ee36.jpg">image</a> isn't at as much of a risk as a pug with this <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NveEt2qDaIo/TXEJhsgfXNI/AAAAAAAASrI/cn_ZqSAyFlk/s1600/pug-dog.jpg">one</a><br /> <br /> Notice how the muzzle is literally flat on the face. When the dog drinks water, it's whole face is practically in the bowl. And imagine if it was a bowl of hard food. <br /> <br /> Now, you say, "oh, why not focus on puppy mills?"<br /> Well, yes, we have that issue. But don't you find it wrong that the people who are against puppy milling are also damaging the dogs as well? Puppy milling and the breeding we are discussing now both end in health issues for the dog. So why is one more worse than the other? Especially when pedigree breeding is accepted by society?
Steaks
#98523 • 2012-04-08 15:26:32
#98523
Many animal abusers have said this to me, almost word for word.<br /> <b>their lives completly evovle around their dogs, im pretty sure most of them love their dogs more than their partner</b><br /> <br /> My response will always be the same, just because someone is not smacking their dog with a bat doesn't mean they're not abusing it.
What annoyed me most about this program they just highlighted the bad cases, although i dont agree with knowingly breeding through diseases and such, just because they are pedigree or bred by a KC reg breeder doesnt mean they're unhealthy. I go to crufts every year and i know alot of breeders and exhibitors, and their lives completly evovle around their dogs, im pretty sure most of them love their dogs more than their partner, instead of wasting time on doing a program slating pedigree breeders, who know heck of alot about dogs, they should focus more on puppy farms and bad back yard breeders that seem to be running rife through out the UK at the moment, my town have a pandemic atm with parvo, because of backyard breeders, not only this but they dont give a thought into their breeding and often have puppies with behavioural issues, not to mention theyre throwing them off to the new owners from the age of 6wks, i can put all my money on the fact i bet theres more bad dogs that come out of puppy farms and BY breeders than you would from an acredited breeder. the british KC are currently changing some breed standards to promote a healthier looking dog, the GSD show standards over here are also being discussed regarding that all GSD's should have a Schutzhund certificate, this however i do not agree with. but thats a new debate all on its own lol
Star
#98012 • 2012-04-05 12:01:20
#98012
I think that's the revisited version, the three years later documentary. But it still shows everything the first one does.<br /> <br /> Regardless, this sort of breeding is absolutely astounding. How people can even KNOWINGLY breed dogs like this just.. baffles me.
Steaks
#98011 • 2012-04-05 11:54:23
#98011
Awesome, thank you Leah!
Star
#98010 • 2012-04-05 11:53:48
#98010
http://www.lifewithdogs.tv/2012/02/pedigree-dogs-exposed-three-years-on/<br /> There's a video on there.
Steaks
#98004 • 2012-04-05 11:10:40
#98004
Aww man, sorry Leah. I did a wuick google nad didn't find nothin.. but it's called Pedigree Dogs Exposed: Three Years Later
Star
#98003 • 2012-04-05 11:04:19
#98003
Aw poop, I really wanted to see that video. But I agree with you, this stupid girl down the street bred her two dogs about a month ago because 'they puppies would be cute'. Last year she put her dog in the pound because it ran away too much, or so she said. It was her own darn fault, the poor thing was hardly even fed. >_<<br /> <br /> But yeah. Breeding in general just bugs me, unless it's for service dogs and stuff like that. <br /> <br /> Does anyone know where I can find a different link to that video, or who made it?
Steaks
#97876 • 2012-04-04 06:41:15
#97876
This is something I posted on another site a little while back. It's related to this entry because it touches on the subject of what breeds are "supposed to" look like verses what they originally looked like when doing their genetic task/job.<br /> It was a conversation I had with someone, which is why it's written as if I was talking to someone and be warned.. it is LONG. Here we go:<br /> <br /> Pekingese are pretty bad as well <i>(we were discussing pugs)</i>, they’re another absolutely useless breed. Bulldogs are horrible <i>(depending on what type of Bulldog you are referring to)</i> with English Bulldogs being the worst. The bulldogs that haven’t changed too much from their ancestors and aren’t so crippled that they have trouble living are bulldogs like the American Bulldog, Scott-type American Bulldog, Johnson American Bulldog but they were once bred for a purpose. Unfortunately, the Bulldog breeders still support their crushed-faced dogs <i>(English Bulldogs)</i> by saying that the wrinkles and brachycephalic skull shape assisted the dog and gave it the upper hand while bull-baiting as these wrinkles acted as channels for the blood to flow through to keep the blood from getting in the dog’s eyes, and the upturned nose was so that the dog could hold on while breathing easily.<br /> … The thing is, the dogs used in bull-baiting originally did not look like today’s English Bulldogs:<br /> <img src="http://i40.tinypic.com/qod189.jpg"><br /> <br /> With their short stature and smushed faces, they currently have trouble breathing and some dogs <i>(like I said earlier)</i> like Pugs can’t even walk around on a hot day without risk of collapsing. These English Bulldog breeders insist that <i>“the blood ran through the wrinkles away from the face”</i> and <i>“the dog’s nose turned up helped it breathe”</i>… well.. how in the heck would a dog that looks like THAT, that can’t even breathe on a hot day.. be able to do a strenuous activity such as bull-baiting? The poor thing would be trampled before it could even blink!<br /> <br /> The original Bulldogs looked like American Bulldogs, with wrinkles but not extreme wrinkles. Breeders have tried to re-create this dog and they came up with the Olde English Bulldogge seen here:<br /> <img src="http://i43.tinypic.com/160v887.jpg"><br /> <br /> Quite a drastic difference from the English Bulldogs of today, don’t you think?<br /> <br /> As for the German Shepherd Dog, a lot of the times the roached backs from from the stacking position of the dogs. The GSD’s stacking position gives it this slanty look, and breeders tried to breed slant-backed dogs because they believed it made the dog faster or some stupid thing.<br /> I’m not at all supporting the roached/slant-backed breeding of GSDs, but if you look at the leg positions on this dog, you will see that if he straightened his legs out and stood normally, his back would not be nearly as roached.<br /> <img src="http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/p2p.imgs/p2p.060.png"><br /> <br /> The AKC, UKC, etc etc other kennel clubs are ruining breeds, plain and simple. When a dog is bred simply as a shiny little trophy, it comes along with a myriad of health issues. When these health issues are ignored and placed second behind beauty, dogs start dying off. By the time these health issues are brought to light, it’s too late to save the breeds.<br /> <br /> I’m not a fan of show-bred dogs. I believe dogs should be able to work the jobs they were made to work, the jobs they were created for. You wouldn’t believe how much the kennel clubs have warped our views on breeds and what they are <i>“supposed”</i> to look like.<br /> Here are some fun comparisons between field-bred dogs and show-bred dogs.<br /> <b>Show-Bred/English Labrador:</b><br /> <img src="http://i43.tinypic.com/178qht.jpg"><br /> <br /> <b>Field-Bred/American Labrador:</b><br /> <img src="http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/english-american/tucker-field.jpg"><br /> <br /> <b>Show-Bred English Springer Spaniel (this type suffers from ‘rage syndrome’. Wow! Who woulda thought?!):</b><br /> <img src="http://i41.tinypic.com/15n2j9y.jpg"><br /> <br /> <b>Field-Bred English Springer Spaniel:</b><br /> <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/33mpdmg.jpg"><br /> <br /> Although these two dogs are different breeds, they can still be compared IMO. The American Staffordshire Terrier is allowed to be shown in the kennel clubs, whereas the American Pit Bull Terrier is not. The American Pit Bull Terrier breeders started breeding for show and thus became the American Staffordshire breed. Don't even get me STARTED on the abomination that is the American Bully.<br /> <b>American Staffordshire Terrier:</b><br /> <img src="http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images23/AmericanStaffordshireTerrierPacoPurebredDog.jpg"><br /> <br /> <b>American Pit Bull Terrier:</b><br /> <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/33mspz5.jpg"><br /> <br /> This one will come off to many people as very surprising.<br /> <b>Show-bred Siberian Husky:</b><br /> <img src="http://i41.tinypic.com/ymkir.jpg"><br /> <br /> <b>Working husky:</b><br /> <img src="http://i41.tinypic.com/33ux2f7.jpg"><br /> <br /> Although show-bred Siberian Huskies CAN and DO pull sleds <i>(any dog can pull a sled. I’ve even seen a video of a Greyhound pulling a woman on skiis)</i>, they are not as muscular or fit as their working cousins. The reason for this is.. GASP… Appearance was put 2nd behind working ability with the working variety!!<br /> <br /> Anyways, I bet I’m boring you lol, I could go on and on and on about this kinda poop. I’m glad I had someone to talk to about breeds though :D