05-13-2010 at 4:56 AM

<i><br />When the earth was created, there was no set time for a day before the light/darkness was separated. Who knows; the 'day' could have been millions of years, since there was no such thing as a 'day' then.

That didn't refute my point. According to the Bible's record of creation, light/darkness were separated on the first 'day'. On the fourth the sun and stars were made visible and used to mark the change of seasons, days, etc. Living creatures were created on the fifth and sixth days, at which point 'days' were around. <br /><br />If you follow the Bible back, Adam was born no more than 8000 years ago, and that is a stretch. We have fossils of hominids/hominins who are older than that, not even touching on dinosaurs (who were apparently created the same day as man). <br /><br /><br /><i>Then may I ask why 'other primates' hasn't 'evolved' into 'humans' yet?</i><br /><br /><br />Evolution isn't caused by time, as such. It's caused by necessity and natural selection - conditions change, and species adapt. Species that can't adapt die out. For instance, because the ape ancestor of humans lived on the plains/savannahs of Africa, those who could see further (by standing upright) were more likely to avoid danger, and thus survived to pass on their genes. Each successive generation is improved. <br /><br />Chimpanzees and bonobos, for instance, live in rainforests. Walking upright would have no benefit for them, as they can't see much anyway through dense vegetation. For them, it's safer to be in trees. They had no need to start walking upright, so individuals with that trait were no more successful than any other.<br /><br />There were other species of 'hominids', much like humans. They are all extinct. Nothing else could evolve into humans, because they are a different species (you might as well ask why lions haven't evolved into tigers), but they were close enough.<br /><br />For instance, I'm sure you've heard of the Neanderthals. They were significantly different to modern humans, and they evolved to adapt to the cold climate of Europe. They are extinct, and it's commonly thought it's because Homo Sapiens (that's us) moved in on their territory, or because they couldn't cope with the changing climate. <br /><br /><br /><br />When Creation can offer me some evidence other than the Bible, I will reconsider. But the Bible is one source, and it's not in anyway credible, in my eyes. <br />

05-13-2010 at 4:44 AM

"I've never seen 'solid proof' for evoltion. =/"<br /><br />Maybe it isn't "solid", which would be something saying evolution is absolutely right. But it has a lot more proof than creationism. Evolution is believed and supported by all major science, is constantly gaining new information and has some evidence. I shouldn't have said proof, because there will never be any proof for either. But with evolution, there is EVIDENCE. The ONLY evidence for creationism is the Bible. Which is honestly not a credible source.<br /><br />Like my history teacher said earlier, this is something that people will be fighting over forever. But in my opinion, there will always be more evidence for evolution. Because people aren't researching creationism, because there is nothing to research.<br /><br />"In the bible, Jesus ordered his disciples to spread the good news to all. Like I said above, we're helping them through evangelism."<br /><br />...So, by "spreading the good news", you deserve a great life? And just because these people don't have access to media and technology to learn about Christianity otherwise, they don't? I want to know how this makes sense. I would PM you to continue this so we don't get too far off topic, but I was posting anyways, so...*shrugs*<br /><br />Also, where is the good news with people who say if you don't believe in Jesus you burn in hell? That's the biggest thing that puts me off Christianity for my own beliefs because so many people tell me this.<br /><br />"Then may I ask why 'other primates' hasn't 'evolved' into 'humans' yet? Sure, you can say that species can change their gene pool through causes of various speciations, but does it have that much of an effect to have 'primates evolve into humans'? If time is your answer, then time should have also affected the 'other primates'."<br /><br />Because other primates have their own niches and their own societies. The human species branched off of these primate species, just like howler monkeys branched off from spider monkeys. Because nature is diverse, so things branch off. Animals that had a certain adaptation passed that on to their children, and in enough generations, they would become their own species. Branched off from the original species due to adaptation. <br /><br />"Hm. So your proposing that all living organisms with scaly legs are descended from dinosaurs?"<br /><br />Not all, but most are, actually. Reptiles obviously descended from dinosaurs, because...well, dinosaurs were just giant lizards, right? So, reptiles have descended from them. Especially things think crocodiles, which were around with the dinosaurs and have existed since that time. Birds are much further down the family tree, but are still related to dinosaurs.<br /><br />"I believe evolution is as real as pokemon. :3 "<br /><br />And I believe creationism is as real as Spyro the dragon.:3

05-13-2010 at 3:10 AM

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05-13-2010 at 3:09 AM

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05-12-2010 at 12:01 AM

I don't get why they can't coexist. O_o I mean, if god (God?) was powerful enough to create everything we see, then why couldn't he be powerful enough to create evolution?<br /><br />Personally, I believe that evolution is the momst valid explanation, but I'm also perfectly willing to believe that it's fueled or directed by some sort of deity. (And if it matters to anyone, I'm a theistic agnostic- I neither believe nor disbelieve in any deities, because I think there's no way for us to know for certain.)

05-11-2010 at 8:39 PM

Even from a young age, and I did go to church once a week and prayed constantly, I realized that if there was a god, he must be a selfish, insane, sadist. (No offense meant, just personal opinion) As someone else said, he values A's more than lives, and his will/plan seemed completely random and without aim. When I asked the people at church why things happened, all I ever got were vague statements that god willed things to be that way. However, national geographic, discovery, and many others provided detailed explanations of why and how. Chemical reactions resulting in RNA, leading to living, mutating, evolving things made much more sense to me than a guy you cant be sure exists, waving his massive hands, and mysteriously creating everything from nothing. (I have tried this, it doesn't work X3.) I kind of have to go with the brand that has the ingredients and nutritional info on the box.

05-11-2010 at 8:36 PM

Even from a young age, and I did go to church once a week and prayed constantly, I realized that if there was a god, he must be a selfish, insane, sadist. (No offense meant, just personal opinion) As someone else said, he values A's more than lives, and his will/plan seemed completely random and without aim. When I asked the people at church why things happened, all I ever got were vague statements that god willed things to be that way. However, national geographic, discovery, and many others provided detailed explanations of why and how. Chemical reactions resulting in RNA, leading to living, mutating, evolving things made much more sense to me than a guy you cant be sure exists, waving his massive hands, and mysteriously creating everything from nothing. (I have tried this, it doesn't work X3.) I kind of have to go with the brand that has the ingredients and nutritional info on the box.

05-11-2010 at 8:13 PM

I'm a atheist so I guess you know what I'mma voting for

05-10-2010 at 9:29 AM

"Creationism was a good explanation for what we didn't understand 6000 years ago, but we know better now. Until I'm given solid proof, I'll continue to believe Creationism, and the Bible in general, is an extremely well written piece of fiction." Exactly. :)

05-9-2010 at 3:14 AM

I believe in evolution, because creation makes absolutely no sense in my mind.

05-9-2010 at 1:07 AM

Yes, but men are imperfect. They could have easily written the Bible to their own agenda rather than God's words. Especially if they realized the influence the Bible could bring.<br /><br />And I hear everyone say there is a reason for everything. What is the reason for letting an entire country live in poverty? And so, God cares more about good grades than starvation by that statement. Why would he randomly answer prayers on good grades, but ignore the desperate pleas of those starving to death, and the children who have to provide for their siblings by the age of eight?

05-9-2010 at 1:02 AM

"...I dont understand why God will answer your prayers and you will get an A in your paper but meanwhile people in Africa are starving to death and my friends mum is dieing of cancer. To me, that doesn't make sense, but each to there own. " ~BorderCollieReason<br /><br />It says in the Bible that God has a reason for everything. <br /><br /><br /><br />"Because the Bible was technically written by men*." ~PikaDiety<br /><br />Yes it was, but God gave them the words to write down.

05-8-2010 at 10:27 PM

I believe in evolution. There may be a God, although he may not be all we say he is. Personally there is more evidence evolution does exist to ignore it. But that is all my opinion. Maybe God created bacteria? But I do think we evolved. In response to Scruffy, I dont understand why God will answer your prayers and you will get an A in your paper but meanwhile people in Africa are starving to death and my friends mum is dieing of cancer. To me, that doesn't make sense, but each to there own.

05-8-2010 at 6:18 PM

I believe that God created everything, and I back this up by this is the way I was raised and I was raised to pray to God often. Often, it seems that God answers my prayers in certain ways, (I ask for an A or high grade on my test, I get an A or A-, even though I didn't study, note that this is just an example and I never really pray to God for such a useless thing, tests. XD ) and I also believe God created evolution. So, I believe both. If God hadn't created evolution(if you only believe in creation, not evolution), how would things ever even work?

05-8-2010 at 3:16 PM

I believe in both. I believe God created earth much earlier than we can even imagine, and that he changed thing on the way. I believe he made it possible for everything to evolve, and I believe things have evolved. My guess is I'm probably in the minority with my beliefs, though, lol.

05-8-2010 at 7:50 AM

What proof? We, as humans, have evolved in the past few thousand years. Things like racial differences are proof of this. The conditions of a certain environment will prompt the development of certain traits. That is evolution. It is scientific fact. <br /><br /><a href="http://ncse.com/evolution/science/evolution-origin-races">one source.</a><br /><br />Dinosaurs and fossils prove that the Earth is older than stated in the Bible. This too is both fact, and proof of evolution. It is possible to trace evolution through fossils.<br /><br />I actually feel that Creationism is a very selfish and vain view. In Genesis Chapter 1, God tells Adam and Eve to "fill the earth and subdue it" and "have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."<br />I don't think human beings are any more important than any other living thing on Earth. I think it is selfish to think that we are. That sort of thinking justifies the atrocities that mankind has inflicted on Earth (the extinction of so many species, for instance).<br /><br />Creationism was a good explanation for what we didn't understand 6000 years ago, but we know better now. Until I'm given solid proof, I'll continue to believe Creationism, and the Bible in general, is an extremely well written piece of fiction. <br /><br /><br />All that said, I'm a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. <br />

05-8-2010 at 6:04 AM

What proof is there to creationism, other than the Bible? Because the Bible was technically written by men*. And there is much scientific evidence for evolution, especially when it comes to dinosaurs evolving into birds. As time went on, scientists found fossils that were surprising because it showed several dinosaur species starting to grow feathers, and their arms turning into primitive wings. As well, if you compare different aspects of birds to dinosaurs, there are many similarities. If you look at the fetus of a chicken, you see that in the early stages of development, they have tails quite similar to the way a young dinosaur's tail would have developed. And many birds have scaly legs. Take the emu for example: http://www.liveducks.com/diary/ranch/emu1.jpg Those are the feet of an emu. And this is the skeleton of a velociraptor: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3062/2775226998_d057ecc72e.jpg Compare the legs and the talons. Not a perfect match when you look at the entire body, but the feet have similar characteristics. Three toes, with sharp talons. Emus have strong power in their legs, if they wanted to kick you or such ((similar to the ostrich)), and we can assume velociraptors had strong legs as well.<br /><br />Now, if you were to simply Google "evolution proof", you could find many credited sources with proof to evolution of the species. Domesticated dogs branched off from wild dogs at some point, due to evolution and breeding for specific traits. Almost a human-induced evolution.<br /><br />And what about the similarities between human DNA and certain primate species DNA? Not simple coincidences. If you look at more advanced primate species, you see they have learned to use tools in similar ways to human beings, using rocks for hammers. Highly intelligent creatures. If you look at some of their behaviors as well, you can see many similarities to human behaviors, especially with gorillas.<br /><br />I'll add more later if needed. But there's a LOT of proof out there for evolution, and I've never seen any real, solid proof for creationism.<br /><br />*Not meant to be offensive, just stating a fact. Sorry if it is taken otherwise.

05-8-2010 at 5:49 AM

I say creation, by the way.

05-8-2010 at 5:48 AM

I still don't get it. What proof is there to evolution?

05-8-2010 at 4:58 AM

I believe in evolution personally because it makes more sense and it has more proof to it. I believe humans evolved from other primates, such as bonobos and gorillas. I believe domestic dogs evolved from wolves and other wild animals, and I believe birds evolved from the ancient reptiles, AKA dinosaurs.<br /><br />It is the more scientifically proven, and I am fairly scientific with things like these. ((Although I do not believe the Big Bang Theory, but that's for another discussion.))<br /><br />Here's how I operated when I was still Christian, and then agnostic ((and actually still do, but change "God" to "Gods")): Evolution created humanity and the different branches of different animal families, such as canines, with the help of God. I've always believed in evolution because it just makes more sense to me.