07-6-2011 at 9:11 AM

I'm completely for abortion. I don't wanna be stuck with a baby I don't want, and I most certainly would not like to be abandoned.

06-24-2011 at 10:50 AM

Perhaps it would be better to start pulling out the nuances of the issue rather than the broad stroke entrenched camps.<br /> <br /> If we've successfully fleshed out morality, how about moving on to legality? Should a medical procedure be outlawed for all because it offends the religious or moral stances of some? If your stance is that it should be made illegal, should there be an exception when the mother's life is in peril, or does the potential (live births occur as the result of fertilization about 75-85% of the time) life of the child trump the life of the mother?<br /> <br /> Do the circumstances surrounding the fertilization weigh upon your answer? If this was an involuntary conception on the part of the mother, should she be required to carry the child of her attacker to term?<br /> <br /> Welfare comes into play here, as not every woman who becomes pregnant can afford medical care. A ban on abortion would result in more children with special needs requiring your tax dollars to provide them with it.<br /> <br /> Foster care and social services would be affected by this debate as well. A larger number of unwanted births means, on the one hand, the cost of a newborn adoption would go down because the supply would catch up some to the demand. On the other hand this might also cause an already overworked CPS system even more strain.<br /> <br /> i'm generally of the opinion that it should not be illegal, but I wouldn't get one because it violates my personal moral stance, but lets re-invigorate this debate, shall we?<br /> <br />

06-24-2011 at 4:51 AM

Please stop arguing semantics, on the 'clump of cells' and 'parasite' issues. You've stopped focusing on the debate as a whole in exchange for focusing on trivialities.<br /> <br /> And I really don't have the energy to give a huge biology lecture explaining your misconceptions regarding these two particulars because I know it'll be one huge waste of my time. People are going to believe what they -want- to believe, no matter how many facts you present them with.

06-24-2011 at 3:22 AM

Lol, I'm not even going to bother considering you are STILL unable to understand this.

06-24-2011 at 3:10 AM

saying it's a parasite just because it absorbs some of the hosts nutrious is crazy. wouldn't that mean im Still a 'parasite' since i Still absorb the nutrious out of earth's vegatation???

06-24-2011 at 3:09 AM

not the same thing. i don't consider a fetus a parasite, because it was created from your body. a tapeworm gets into your body but is never Apart of it. it's never been apart of it, it's never going to mature and become more human like a fetus wil, it wasn't created by the human itself.

06-24-2011 at 12:38 AM

"tapeworm isn't apart of you the same way a child is"<br /> <br /> Lol, you wouldn't be saying that if you had as much knowledge of internal parasites as I do.>.> God, that was the one thing I didn't like about my zoology class, our parasitic worm unit. But yeah, pretty much the same thing. It feeds off the nutrients of the host, while the host receives nothing beneficial in return.<br /> <br />

06-24-2011 at 12:24 AM

lets clear up this protection thing, condo.ms are only 80% affective, however you'd have to be pretty dam.n fertile to get pregnant if on birth control i mean seriously. vasectomy is also a Great alternative since it's so safe and reversable and the chances of you getting pregnant if your partner has a vasectomy is so small, if it did happen i'd say it was a miracle. and a tapeworm isn't apart of you the same way a child is. that's bull. and yes a fetus is a clump of cells but frankly im a clump of cells. you're a clump of cells. you see, kayla and i believe that it's more important that it Will be a human. whereas you and cervine beleive it's all about the now, the fact that it isn't one now. that's where our difference really lies.

06-23-2011 at 9:20 AM

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06-23-2011 at 8:58 AM

Yes, my post is TL;DR. But people debating, please read it.<br /> <br /> Firstly, yes, a child can be a wonderful thing and I do not hate them. I also do not want one. That aside, facts must be looked at.<br /> <br /> "Yes protection can fail, but if people take precautions, making sure medications aren't outdated or anything, protection can work."<br /> <br /> Oh, can protection ever fail. Which a lot of people here seem naive about, regarding the degree of failure. I'm going to guess it's the age group. You can take all the precautions in the world..<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.asepco.com/news/2007/03/silicone-diaphragm-vs-sodium-hydroxide-naoh/#more-21">Diaphram malfunction.</a><br /> <a href="http://sqzm14.ust.hk/condom-ratings-95.HTMLL">Unreliable.. those rubber things that Ala unnecessarily word filters to protect the eyes of the teenagers who need to use them I guess...</a><br /> <a href="http://onemoresoul.com/contraception/risks-consequences/what-a-woman-should-know-about-birth-control.html">Birth control pill, enjoy your beast cancer.</a><br /> <a href="http://pregnancy.lovetoknow.com/wiki/IUD_Complications">Even the IUD, the most reliable, has risks.</a><br /> <br /> So no, it's not just saying "this medicine is fresh we coo'." Now, using one of those along with <a href="http://www.fwhc.org/birth-control/fam.htm">fertility awareness</a> is a much more wise decision.<br /> <br /> Personally? If I was even fertile (I'm utterly sterile, even biological sex wise) I would get a vasectomy. Even if I couldn't afford a vasectomy and had to punch myself in the jollies to ensure I was sterile. I don't want a child, and I don't want to pass on my bad genetics, as that would be utterly cruel. Horrible health and metal defects run in my family, and I would never knowingly inflict what I have to go through every day on another person. And I would make a terrible, terrible parent due to the aforementioned. So many "I wanna have a baby!" people NEVER take these things into account and that's just selfish.<br /> <br /> "That so called parasite your referring to, is exactly like us, except in a younger stage."<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4923014_fetus-brain-development.html">NOPE.</a><br /> Usually at the development stage a fetus is aborted at, it has a brain comparitively much more primitive than a goldfish. And when it does have a first trimester brain developed, that thing is one of the wimpiest brains in the animal kingdom. However, A newborn itself has a higher capacity for learning than any of us on this site. No one wants to kill a newborn.<br /> <br /> By the way, my "younger stage" was a kid that ran around in Beetlejuice pajamas and watched The Real Ghostbusters. In the womb, I was not who I am, I was no one, I did not exist as a person. Do not compare me to a zygote. A zygote is nothing like me. As a bonus, my mother wanted to abort me, and I can -still- look at this logistically. I'm not understanding why people are refusing to look at straight up facts.<br /> <br /> "When our parents had us, they thought of us as human beings."<br /> <br /> Anecdote. Deregarding.<br /> <br /> "if you were to leave a tapeworm inside of you for nine months, would it grow? Yes it would grow, but it wouldn't evolve into a human baby."<br /> <br /> Stop being prejudiced against tapeworms. :( Also this analogy is one of the worst I've ever seen, you're comparing apples to skyscrapers, and I am again disregarding this because it holds no weight and is irrelevant. However.<br /> <br /> "Symbiosis, n. A relationship of mutual benefit or dependence."<br /> <a href="http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycomplications/">The mother is receiving no health benefits from her bundle of joy.</a><br /> "Parasitism, n. Biology . a relation between organisms in which one lives as a parasite on another."<br /> <br /> "Calling a fetus a parasite, is like calling all of us a parasite."<br /> <br /> Last I checked, I didn't have an umbilical cord that attached me to my mother.<br /> <br /> "we because a human"<br /> <br /> You accidentally a whole word. :( Might want to fix that.<br /> <br /> "would you still get an abortion when you were 8 months pregnant?"<br /> <br /> No one here is for third trimester abortion, everyone here is disgusted by it, so don't play that card. Especially since a third trimester fetus is worlds apart from a first or even second.

06-22-2011 at 10:41 PM

", is exactly like us"<br /> <br /> Uh....not quite.XD Doesn't look like us at all at that point, can't think, can't feel, has no emotion, etc. I could go on and on about how they aren't like us at all at that point.<br /> <br /> "But my question is this, would you still get an abortion when you were 8 months pregnant? "<br /> <br /> There's a difference, though. At the point that abortion is legal, the fetus is not a human. It can't think, feel, or do anything that makes us human. At 8 months, they can, because they have developed these traits.<br /> <br /> It's not a sad thing to abort. Yeah, it's a hard thing, and some people might be sad when it happens, but it is not a sad thing by definition.

06-22-2011 at 10:26 PM

When I say it shouldn't be overused like drugs, it means that sometimes people abuse it. If someone's not fertile and they think, "Oh I don't need protection." They could abuse it until they get pregnant. Yes protection can fail, but if people take precautions, making sure medications aren't outdated or anything, protection can work.<br /> <br /> I just want to run this by, but please, no one get offended. I'm just trying to make a point.<br /> <br /> That so called parasite your referring to, is exactly like us, except in a younger stage. When our parents had us, they thought of us as human beings. Why? Because we actually made it the whole nine months and were delivered. Sure parasitism plays a part in the growth of a fetus, but then again, didn't we do the same as we were growing inside our mothers? I'm sure any person who wouldn't ever want children, probably thought of us that way. We depended on our mothers to do everything up until we were born. But then again, if you were to leave a tapeworm inside of you for nine months, would it grow? Yes it would grow, but it wouldn't evolve into a human baby. A fetus on the other hand, would have been delivered as a human baby, after it grew for that whole term. Calling a fetus a parasite, is like calling all of us a parasite. We all started out as 2 cells, then grew into a mass of cells, then we became a fetus and right at the exact moment we were born, the second we actually entered the world, we became a human. A fetus is only an unborn version of a human. If a person wanted an abortion, go ahead do it, I don't care. But my question is this, would you still get an abortion when you were 8 months pregnant? That answer would be no indefinitely, because it's illegal to abort any fetus that age. Whether it's 2 months along or 2 weeks away from being born, it's still a sad thing to do.<br /> <br /> <b>I hope no one was offended</b><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ____________________

06-20-2011 at 4:47 AM

"The way I see it, intercourse shouldn't be overused like drugs."<br /> <br /> Uh...that doesn't really make sense. Sex doesn't cause things like some drugs do. They can cause STDs, but that's what protection is for., and if it's with the same person and you've both been tested, that's not as much of a problem. (Excluding sleeping around.)<br /> <br /> And like I've said before: Protection can fail.

06-20-2011 at 4:02 AM

The way I see it, intercourse shouldn't be overused like drugs. For example, someone who smokes pot, can use it if they want, but they should at least be careful enough to use it responsibly. Now if a person has intercourse, let's say 4 times a week, and they're not using protection or the pill, they have to at least expect their going to get pregnant. If they didn't want to get pregnant in the first place, they should have either (a) used protection and the pill or (b) not done anything at all and waited until they wanted a kid. I've recently seen a girl, obviously way too young to be a mother get pregnant and she wanted to go through the pregnancy. She probably thought about abortion, but she took full responsibility for her actions and recognized what she did, and now she has a life with a new kid to go through with. Had she just gotten an abortion, she could have probably ended up in the same situation again, not learning from the previous times.

06-20-2011 at 3:54 AM

"that if you didn't want the kid in the first place, why engage in that kind of activity?"<br /> <br /> Because sex isn't just used for procreation anymore. Couples engage in sex for pleasure, for strengthening their relationships and for other reasons. People have sex for many reasons other than procreation. Are you implying that sex should only be used with procreation in mind?<br /> <br /> "I see a fetus as a living thing, only because it shares your blood, oxygen, and nutrients."<br /> <br /> Yeah, this makes a living thing. A living thing very similar to ANOTHER living being that is called a parasite, specifically an internal parasite.<br /> <br /> "The fetus is a part of you and you are living. So getting an abortion and killing the fetus is basically killing a part of you."<br /> <br /> If I have a tapeworm, by this logic its a part of me. Is it a horrible tragedy when I get this parasite removed?<br /> <br />

06-20-2011 at 3:50 AM

I'm against abortion only for the reason being, that if you didn't want the kid in the first place, why engage in that kind of activity? If it hadn't happened in the first place, the abortion wouldn't be needed, thus preventing a life ended. I see a fetus as a living thing, only because it shares your blood, oxygen, and nutrients. The fetus is a part of you and you are living. So getting an abortion and killing the fetus is basically killing a part of you. I see it as a way to get rid of a problem you started, rather than dealing with it. I don't know, but that's just my opinion.

06-19-2011 at 4:22 AM

Yeah, but protection doesn't always work. And if they don't realize that they can get pregnant from having unprotected sex, they probably shouldn't be parents.;)

06-19-2011 at 1:48 AM

That's why they are supposed to use protection. Pregnancy is one of the consequences of unprotected sex. >.&lt;

06-18-2011 at 4:16 AM

well i don't believe that the woman has more rights than the life to be. of course they have a choice and i will not take away, but i wish abortion would be look down upon and a very last resort. i know look down upon is a negative term, i only said that word for lack of a better term; ignore the negative conotation

06-17-2011 at 10:48 AM

See, here's the main thing though: The woman can do what she wants. Because she is actually a living, human being that has long grown out of the parasitic fetus stage. A fetus, well...hasn't. The living woman has more rights here, and it's her choice whether or not she has the baby. I wasn't referring to life/death situations only in that last post. It's true with all women. I value the woman's life more than the fetus' will be life.