As a reply to some comments I've seen recently:<br /> <br /> There are more than one option, we don't have to put the dog's TP to the Cap limit. You can choose to leave your dog at it's over cap TP and instead choose to have the dog untrialable and unsellable.<br /> <br /> And to make an argument about the trialing part of this:<br /> At one point in time, it would not have been an issue to make the dog untriable, the dogs would eventually age out of the trials and that would be that. With time rewinders, this changes, as you can keep your dog young forever and trial it forever. It is here that leaving the dogs over the cap and able to trial becomes unfair to continue doing. Would you feel it okay if you went up against Rosencrown every week for the next two years? Next four? You would always lose. Always. That's a lot of money you'd lose just due to her owner having a time rewinder and 40+ aviator caps when we allowed stacking. This is the reason we would make dogs - if we left them over the cap - untrialable. If trialing your dogs is more important than the boost you gave in TP, then we can go the route of lowering the cap.<br /> <br /> This is why we put up both of these options, we were not sure if you would prefer having the status of these over the cap dogs - even untrialable and unsellable - or if you would prefer to have a trialable dog that is no longer over the cap.<br /> <br /> As for this argument on unfair to new players:<br /> Our decision to do this wasn't based on the idea that it's unfair to new players. It was based on the fact it's a game breaker. As I said before, with both time rewinders and the ability to stack your aviator caps forever and ever, some people will always dominate trials with the same dog forever. Rosencrown will forever be #1 no matter how hard others try. <br /> <br /> This game is about Agility, mostly focused on trialing and secondarily on breeding. (Or will be once again once we have our new system up.) If Rosencrown has no fair competition, then it removes the point of trialing. Why would I trial when I know I can never have the best dog? <br /> <br /> Back in the day, the Top Dawgs board used to be a source of pride and competition for players. I used to check it every day. I had the number one dog for GSDs for awhile when they first came out. I've been the first person to break TP goals for GSDs with a breeding partner, again putting my dogs at #1 on the list.<br /> <br /> <b>This is a deep source of pride for me</b> I want others to have that pride. But nobody can have that, as the top dawgs board is dominated by over the capped dogs that are near impossible to loosen from their ranked hold.<br /> <br /> This change means that new players will find competition in trials again, and will find pride in fighting for a top trialer prize. That is why I agreed to this change, even with my own over the capped dog.

@AmandaRose, i was replying to something larth said about it being unfair to newer members who do not have access to such items C: Merely pointing out that some older members also don't have those items and worked hard to get them. Anybody can get the items, you just have to save up for it.

I think a few of you are forgetting that Robyn intentionally left aviator caps to stack. If you mentioned it, I apologize for not noticing!<br /> <br /> The only thing that should be fixed - in my opinion - is that dogs who are 8999.91 base TP should not exceed up to 9000 TP (which is .09 they can get with items, yay!). <br /> Think about those who use aviator caps for different reasons. Some - I know a few do - use the caps to get their low TP dogs (customs/foundies) to higher TPs for breeding. BUT, there could always be a LIMIT to the amount of caps that can be stacked on a dog. Such as, 3 caps can be stacked on one at a time.<br /> This makes the caps not entirely useless to some.

They were gonna get changed anyways due to a mistake. They didn't know how big of a problem it is today.

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Amanda, if they limit the cap to 9000, fine. <br /> <br /> Then the Aviator caps don't have to be changed, then, do they?

If they fix the trail system then it gonna take a long time and they are fixing trailing already. No one is complaining about anything if people can't train capped dogs then they shouldn't or if it's to slow then they shouldn't and some people can still trail dogs with 500 TP and less and still make a good amount if they have a lot of dogs. And yeah people did work very very hard I know I spent 30 bones and more, And I know I spent over 1 mill ala cash for trailing items,and dogs etc. But I still think they that the cap limit should be 9000.

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It seems that the big issue you are trying to address is over the cap dogs and the trial system.<br /> <br /> If you take away the ability to allow dogs to get over the cap, then the aviator cap issue is a non issue.<br /> <br /> As I said on the news post, Aviator caps are used for other things as well.<br /> <br /> Where would you draw the line?<br /> <br /> Next people will complain that they cannot train their dogs fast enough, so they cannot trial as much.<br /> <br /> Would you then cap dog slots and training sessions?<br /> <br /> It is a long slippery slope to "equalize".<br /> <br /> Some are willing to work hard for what they have accomplished.<br /> <br /> I remember saving for weeks just to get a scholar collar. I never complained that it took forever. I never begrudged those that already had one.<br /> <br /> Leave the caps as is, and fix the trial system.<br /> <br /> You can cap trial TP at 8999.91 (but then you will STILL have people complaining about capped dogs in their trials, because they can't train a capped dog, or they can't afford a capped dog, etc).<br /> <br /> You can always have "X" trials. Extreme trials for dogs over 8000 TP. Don't take away what people have worked months for. Give them another place to "play".

Dwarf: It's not new players that are saying it. I am not new and yes it would be nice to have a cap and I didn't say anything once about wanting this to change I do have over capped dogs but it did take forever to get them over capped and time etc but the problem was suppost to be fixed anyways so it's not just new players who want it. I think it's gone overboard because it's not fair at trails anymore because not everybody can get and caps to boost up TP like me and it's not very fair for others that can't get any either. Either way they were gonna fix it and have been talking about it for a long time so it's no ones fault ala wants to make the change there was no polls about the change so it means no new players have voted to change it, it was gonna get fixed sooner or later.

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I have to say I'm glad it is addressed. However... <br /> <br /> This isn't the first time changes happen that cost people bones. It happened to me on a much smaller scale when some CAs were just deleted like that, and I never got all the bones I spent on them back from their creators. <br /> <br /> This, now, for those who put time and effort and especially real money into those dogs, is a real bad thing to happen ( I don't have an over the cap dog, and didn't plan to make one).<br /> <br /> I understand that you can't always foresee what the future will bring, especially in games such as this one. Dynamics change a lot. <br /> <br /> Maybe the idea of leaving the TP for breeding purposes would be fine as long as there are no more dogs who can go over the cap. Maybe you could also ignore the existing trialers for now because, as mentioned, they blow through trials quickly. Once no other dog can go over the cap, the problem should have fixed itself.<br /> <br />

I didn't read the whole thread, but i'm very disappointed if this change will go through. The comment of 'it's unfair to newer players who don't have the items' - I didn't have these items a month ago. I worked my bum off on offsite trades to get two aviator caps and am still working on getting more. I wouldn't be very pleased if they would turn out to be useless after all that work i put into it. Everybody can get those items if they work hard and are patient.<br /> <br /> It also goes the same for the people who bought their caps for bones. They either worked for bones or bought them and it would be a huge waste of time (and money) if the caps suddenly wouldn't be stack-able- that's not what you bought them for.<br /> <br /> I kinda agree with what rav said. Why not up the TP cap to 15k and leave the caps stack-able. Make it so that capped dogs cannot exceed the cap, so it will not train already maxed stats. I think that would solve the biggest problem.