"That works for you and yours, but that isn't the same for everyone."<br /> <br /> <br /> A responsible owner would take the extra step to prevent that. If not, they should not have that animal.<br /> <br /> "Cats come from bigger cats its only with careful breeding that they are now demestacated. however no animal is TRULEY demestacted, they still have the instinks there ansesters did. people go camping, Why? because they like it, its a promal thing people like being outside, same as cats and dogs. if people where not allowed to go outside cabin feaver sets in. I believe cabin feaver can set in for cats as well. fix your pet, microchip it, let the cat out side."<br /> <br /> <br /> If they weren't domesticated they wouldn't be called "Domesticated Animals"<br /> <br /> A domesticated animal is such because they cannot survive in the wild.<br /> <br /> Edit: The definition of Domesticated has nothing to do with primal instincts, it has to do with being accustomed to humans, for example wolves don't bark but when they became dogs they did. And us humans understand different types of barks,if you have Netflix watch Dogs Decoded.<br /> <br /> Domestication (from Latin domesticus) or taming is the process whereby a population of animals or plants, through a process of selection, becomes accustomed to human provision and control. A defining characteristic of domestication is artificial selection by humans. ...

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And just for clarification. Domestication does not mean "lack of instincts."<br /> <br /> <i>Domestication (from Latin domesticus) or taming is the process whereby a population of animals or plants, through a process of selection, becomes accustomed to human provision and control.</i>

Yes, but that's why we have a responsibility to watch after the animals we created through artificial selection and unnatural breeding. We have a responsibility not only to them, but to keeping them from harming the natural world into which we artificially introduced them.

Cats and dogs are domesticated. Otherwise, feral ones wouldn't be such an aberration...not to mention pest.<br /> <br /> No there not, have you seen a cat stock a bird? it looks JUST like a lion. its facinateing. no animal is truely demestacated. theres always the potenchil that there instents will kick in, no matter the amount of training you do.

Cats and dogs <i>are</i> domesticated. Otherwise, feral ones wouldn't be such an aberration...not to mention pest.<br /> <br /> My kitties are perfectly happy and healthy. They get exercise and play. They aren't bored or deprived in any way.<br /> The same cannot be said for the 4 month old kitten I saw hit by a car on my way home last week.<br><br>Edit because my mouth is too big. Cats are not a natural predator in North America (and many other places). Nature cannot adapt to invasive species like this one. That's why they're invasive. Add to that the fact that the feline and canine populations are obviously bolstered by human intervention, and you can surely see how it's an unfair advantage.

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Wrong. Just because your cat isn't bringing it's kills to you doesn't mean it's not killing birds.<br /> <br /> i never said my cat was not killing birds. <br /> <br /> <br /> It's called being responsible and vigilant, we have baby locks on all cabinets and doors.<br /> <br /> That works for you and yours, but that isn't the same for everyone. <br /> <br /> Cats come from bigger cats its only with careful breeding that they are now demestacated. however no animal is TRULEY demestacted, they still have the instinks there ansesters did. people go camping, Why? because they like it, its a promal thing people like being outside, same as cats and dogs. if people where not allowed to go outside cabin feaver sets in. I believe cabin feaver can set in for cats as well. fix your pet, microchip it, let the cat out side. <br /> <br /> i did read those articals they never menchioned howmeny birds where taged in the first place, but they DID menchion that only 80% of the birds where killed, and only 47% where killed by cats. now if they only taged 10 birds i would agree, but knowing the way science works, they probly taged in the hundreds, the population will change and adapt, its called nature thats what it does.

"<br /> no its not really needed, one bird maybe once or twice a month is not going to cause the local population of blue jays to go extint. "<br /> <br /> That's what the backyard breeders said, and look at the overpopulation.<br /> <br /> Now I am not saying it's like backyard breeders because they're increasing the population. But it's that "one time won't hurt" attitude that makes it happen.<br /> <br /> "In all honesty i think everyone who insists that cats are in more danger outside than inside forget the dangers of being IN a home at all times. Cats are sneekey, they get into cabnits, ive seen it. there are alot of different kinds of poins in a home, youve got bleach, amonia, pinesole. if you wash your floors with pinesal and you cat walks over the floor then licks its feet you could say you just unentenchnoly poisend your own cat."<br /> <br /> <br /> It's called being responsible and vigilant, we have baby locks on all cabinets and doors. They keep the cats out too.<br /> The stuff in our house that would be dangerous to cats is kept in out bathroom and the bathroom is closed 100% except when someone is going in to use it.<br /> <br /> Besides the dangers outside greatly outnumber the ones of being indoors. If you have a 10% chance of dying and a 0.01% chance of dying, which would you take? The safer one.<br /> <br /> When I cannot supervise my cats they're kept in a room that has nothing harmful to them in it, it has their litter box and a few beds, a dresser with clothes, a closet (which is closed, and only contains clothes).<br /> If I didn't have a safe room for them, then I'd crate them when I'm gone. Like I do with my dogs.

<i>no its not really needed, one bird maybe once or twice a month is not going to cause the local population of blue jays to go extint.</i><br>Wrong. Just because your cat isn't bringing it's kills to you doesn't mean it's not killing birds. The BlueJay population around my neighbourhood has gone down extremely dramatically [I think there's maybe 2 Bluejays around here now?] because my neighbour feeds stray cats and lets them breed like crazy. :I<br><br><i>In all honesty i think everyone who insists that cats are in more danger outside than inside forget the dangers of being IN a home at all times. Cats are sneekey, they get into cabnits, ive seen it. there are alot of different kinds of poins in a home, youve got bleach, amonia, pinesole. if you wash your floors with pinesal and you cat walks over the floor then licks its feet you could say you just unentenchnoly poisend your own cat.</i><br>Not once have I ever had the problem of my cat getting into chemicals. I did have him attacked a couple times by stray cats in my driveway though :)

no its not really needed, one bird maybe once or twice a month is not going to cause the local population of blue jays to go extint. <br /> <br /> In all honesty i think everyone who insists that cats are in more danger outside than inside forget the dangers of being IN a home at all times. Cats are sneekey, they get into cabnits, ive seen it. there are alot of different kinds of poins in a home, youve got bleach, amonia, pinesole. if you wash your floors with pinesal and you cat walks over the floor then licks its feet you could say you just unentenchnoly poisend your own cat.<br /> <br /> No matter where a pet goes theres a potenchel of danger. its inevitable. But my cats and my moms cats will always be indoor/outdoor cats and there is absolutly nothing wrong with that. there all fixed and microchiped.

<i>I know my cats probly try and get a few birds, I've seen Tony bring my mom a bird. But i do not think they are effecting the bird population so much that it will effect the local wildlife.</i><br /> <br /> <a href="http://library.fws.gov/bird_publications/songbrd.html#Cat">I'll repost this</a>...<br /> <br /> And <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/03/21/cute-but-deadly-cats-are-a-far-bigger-threat-to-u-s-birds-than-windmills/">another</a>, in case it's needed.