"Really??? You cant see how that website is biased? WOW"<br /> "No I can't. Please explain to me how it is biased."<br /> <br /> You have got to be kidding me right, Really?? <br /> <br /> and no im not talking about the ehow link although they DO ecco what the vet website says im speeking of the vet website itself, about the part where they cover what can cause stress, or you can even look at the link to the disease itself, like this part <br /> "indoor housed cats appear to accommodate to a wide range of surroundings, the neuroendocrine abnormalities in the cats we treat do not seem to permit them the adaptive capacity that healthy cats have"

<i>"Really??? You cant see how that website is biased? WOW"</i><br>No I can't. Please explain to me how it is biased.<br><br>"<i>Oh now a vet website is wrong too... funny i thought they studyed this stuff for a liveing.</i>"<br>I assume you're talking about that eHow link? eHow isn't a vet website. Also, that <i>"Feline Interstitial Cystitis"</i> vet website link has absolutely nothing to do with indoor/outdoor cats or cats being stressed because they can't get outside.

"Er... how is that site biased?"<br /> <br /> Really??? You cant see how that website is biased? WOW<br /> <br /> "Probably because "your cat will get stress diseases because it can't get that bird outside the window!!" is bull."<br /> <br /> Oh now a vet website is wrong too... funny i thought they studyed this stuff for a liveing.<br /> <br />

Er... how is that site biased?<br><br><i>"WOW they wont even put up things about stress eather...funny, and thease are the sites that are "reputable websites"??"</i><br>Probably because "your cat will get stress diseases because it can't get that bird outside the window!!" is bull.<br><br><i>"Although many indoor housed cats appear to accommodate to a wide range of surroundings, the neuroendocrine abnormalities in the cats we treat do not seem to permit them the adaptive capacity that healthy cats have. Moreover, since external factors have been shown to unmask susceptibility to many common chronic diseases in cats"</i><br>That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. "External" and "internal" does not mean "outdoors and indoors" and "environment" doesn't mean outside the house.<br><br><i>"We may not realize how sensitive your cat is to something as simple as moving furniture around the room or having company over for dinner."</i><br>This is very true, cats pay close attention to detail. However, a gigantic truck driving by or a dog snarling and barking is 10x more stressful then a couch moving a couple feet. <br>Another way cats can get stressed out is during car-rides to the vet or moving to another house.

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<a href="http://fairydogparents.tripod.com/id15.html"> heres a link to what a shelter has to say on indoor/outdoor cats. its funny how they are so biest isnt it? </a> <br /> <br /> a quote from the site "What does your indoor cat miss?<br /> <br /> Problems and an untimely death, mostly. Things like: getting hit by a car, feline leukemia, attacks by dogs, poisoned food, pesticides, cat fights, fleas, ticks, worms, abscesses, injuries, getting lost, getting stolen, human cruelty, wild animal attacks, cold, rainy weather, hunger, thirst."<br /> <br /> WOW they wont even put up things about stress eather...funny, and thease are the sites that are "reputable websites"?? <br /> <br /> Are vet websites allowed?<br /> <br /> "Although many indoor housed cats appear to accommodate to a wide range of surroundings, the neuroendocrine abnormalities in the cats we treat do not seem to permit them the adaptive capacity that healthy cats have. Moreover, since external factors have been shown to unmask susceptibility to many common chronic diseases in cats"<br /> <a href="http://indoorpet.osu.edu/veterinarians/research/index.cfm"> Click if its allowed</a><br /> <br /> Also heres a nother one on what can stress your cat out. <br /> <a href="http://indoorpet.osu.edu/cats/felinelifestressors/index.cfm"> better not have people come over for dinner..</a>

<i>"The ancwer to that is Quite simple and im suprized you didnt think of it before posting, its the LAW."</i><br /> <br /> You are correct. It is also illegal to let your cat roam the streets. In fact a lot of animal control officers will actually fine you if you allow your animal to roam. If a neighbor complains about your cat constantly getting on their property, animal control will fine you for that too. If it happens too often, they can take your pet away completely.<br /> <br /> <i>"You all failed to even menchion anything about the stress related diseases. The fact indoor cats have poor Diets, both in obesidy and in the loss of vegitashion for indoor cats that outdoor cats get."</i><br /> <br /> This is very easily preventable with proper diet and mental stimulation, which is again, the responsibility of the owner.<br /> <br /> <i>"The fact that you compleatly ignore all the health risks indoor cats face as well says a lot about you as a pet owner as well"</i><br /> <br /> I never ignored them. They happen when a cat is not properly taken care of, there are just much WORSE things that could happen to your cat if left outside. And for the record, I am not a poor pet owner. I don't have cats because I have no way of properly caring for them where I live. :) That's where being responsible comes in handy. If you can't take care of the animal, don't have it.<br /> <br /> <i>"I do not hoard animals or fight them, i simply let them out side my home because im not scaird to death something one day maybe might happen."</i><br /> <br /> My point was you use the exact same excuses they do, and think you are doing the right thing. Exactly like they think they are doing.<br /> <br /> <i>"i do believe it IS lazyness to spay /nueter a pet simply so you dont have to watch them. However i ALSO said that i did not start out with my pets, i got them off of Craigs list, they came spayed/nuetered, not my choice but there previous owners."</i><br /> <br /> That doesn't make a difference. You still have a spayed/nuetered animal and are being too lazy to watch it. What you said was still contradictory.<br /> <br /> At this point I am done arguing with you. You refuse to accept all the facts and proof that people have pointed out and you continue on trying to justify your ridiculous actions. I think it's pretty obvious to me, and many other people here, exactly what type of pet owner you are and the fact that you have no intentions of ever changing. Have a nice day and if I see you ever complain on here about your cat getting killed, I will be one of the first to say "I told you so! "<br /> <br /> Oh, and the name is HEMPdog not himpdog.

"<i>Yet you are willing to take that chance with your cats health, because you wont let your cat out. I dont know about you guys, but "inflammation within the urinary bladder resulting in bloody urine, inappropriate urination and pain and discomfort " That dosent sound like something i would want my cat to get, how do i ovoid them getting it? i let them out when they want out.</i>"<br>Where are you getting that information? Those are the symptoms to urinary tract infections in cats and I don't see what that has to do with what we're talking about.<br><br><i>Indoor cats cannot graze on grasses and greens that outdoor cats can access. Outdoor cats also get vegetable matter through the stomach and intestinal contents of the herbivores they catch and eat.</i><br>The main word here is "graze". Cats will graze on grass if they have an upset stomach, so will dogs. This is to induce vomiting so they can barf up whatever is making them sick. If cats are omnivores, please do a little experiment for me.<br>Find some stray cats and throw a stick of celery at them. Tell me if they eat it. Then throw some chicken at them and see if they eat it. Cats will not willingly eat vegetables as their whole diet - the only reason they do right now is because the pet food companies shove things like cornmeal and wheat into dry pet food.<br><br><i>"Also stress can be caused by a change in your everyday life, say you go to school every day from 8am to 2:45pm then summer comes now your at home all the time, this can stress your cat out."</i><br>That has NOTHING to do with cats not being allowed outside. That is Seperation Anxiety Disorder, and it is also seen in dogs. It is NOT CAUSED by a cat seeing a bird outside the window and not getting it. That's just mindbogglingly ridiculous.<br><br><b>And again, please provide links that aren't supplied by "eHow", "Yahoo Answers", "Chacha", etc

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"My cats do not have any stress diseases and I've never ever known a cat who did."<br /> <br /> Yet you are willing to take that chance with your cats health, because you wont let your cat out. I dont know about you guys, but "inflammation within the urinary bladder resulting in bloody urine, inappropriate urination and pain and discomfort " That dosent sound like something i would want my cat to get, how do i ovoid them getting it? i let them out when they want out. <br /> <br /> "Also, cats are carnivores and don't eat vegetation."<br /> <br /> sorry wrong.<br /> Indoor cats cannot graze on grasses and greens that outdoor cats can access. Outdoor cats also get vegetable matter through the stomach and intestinal contents of the herbivores they catch and eat.<br /> <a href="http://www.ehow.com/list_6901767_different-issues-indoor-outdoor-cats.html"> Clicky for the link i alredy gave on this subject </a><br /> <br /> Also stress can be caused by a change in your everyday life, say you go to school every day from 8am to 2:45pm then summer comes now your at home all the time, this can stress your cat out. <br /> <br /> EDIT:<br /> "Also, if you want to link to info about cats and indoor/outdoor, link to reputable websites, not things like eHow or Yahoo Answers or w.e. I'm looking for links like the ASPCA or Humane Society or vet websites."<br /> <br /> Oh you meen only the websites that agree with you should be taken into considerashion..

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<i>"The ancwer to that is Quite simple and im suprized you didnt think of it before posting, its the LAW."</i><br /> <br /> You are correct. It is also illegal to let your cat roam the streets. In fact a lot of animal control officers will actually fine you if you allow your animal to roam. If a neighbor complains about your cat constantly getting on their property, animal control will fine you for that too. If it happens too often, they can take your pet away completely.<br /> <br /> <i>"You all failed to even menchion anything about the stress related diseases. The fact indoor cats have poor Diets, both in obesidy and in the loss of vegitashion for indoor cats that outdoor cats get."</i><br /> <br /> This is very easily preventable with proper diet and mental stimulation, which is again, the responsibility of the owner.<br /> <br /> <i>"The fact that you compleatly ignore all the health risks indoor cats face as well says a lot about you as a pet owner as well"</i><br /> <br /> I never ignored them. They happen when a cat is not properly taken care of, there are just much WORSE things that could happen to your cat if left outside. And for the record, I am not a poor pet owner. I don't have cats because I have no way of properly caring for them where I live. :) That's where being responsible comes in handy. If you can't take care of the animal, don't have it.<br /> <br /> <i>"I do not hoard animals or fight them, i simply let them out side my home because im not scaird to death something one day maybe might happen."</i><br /> <br /> My point was you use the exact same excuses they do, and think you are doing the right thing. Exactly like they think they are doing.<br /> <br /> <i>"i do believe it IS lazyness to spay /nueter a pet simply so you dont have to watch them. However i ALSO said that i did not start out with my pets, i got them off of Craigs list, they came spayed/nuetered, not my choice but there previous owners."</i><br /> <br /> That doesn't make a difference. You still have a spayed/nuetered animal and are being too lazy to watch it. What you said was still contradictory.<br /> <br /> At this point I am done arguing with you. You refuse to accept all the facts and proof that people have pointed out and you continue on trying to justify your ridiculous actions. I think it's pretty obvious to me, and many other people here, exactly what type of pet owner you are and the fact that you have no intentions of ever changing. Have a nice day and if I see you ever complain on here about your cat getting killed, I will be one of the first to say "I told you so! "<br /> <br /> Oh, and the name is HEMPdog not himpdog.

<i>"The ancwer to that is Quite simple and im suprized you didnt think of it before posting, its the LAW."</i><br>It's also the law to tag and keep your cats indoors.<br><br><i>"You all failed to even menchion anything about the stress related diseases. The fact indoor cats have poor Diets, both in obesidy and in the loss of vegitashion for indoor cats that outdoor cats get. "</i><br>You know how you can avoid those problems?...... Not feeding your cat human food and not overfeeding it. My cats are indoors, they're around 12 y.o and they're still energetic as ever and aren't obese. Also, cats are carnivores and don't eat vegetation. When cats nibble on grass it's because they have an upset stomach. My cats do not have any stress diseases and I've never ever known a cat who did.<br><br><i>"your cat can become very ill from that stress"</i><br>A cat cannot become sick from stress by looking at a bird outside. Stress related illnesses are things like PTSD. Dogs who served in the wars sometimes come back with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. "Ohh I can't get that bird :(" is NOTHING like PTSD.<br><b>Definition of PTSD:</b> <i>Post-traumatic stress disorder is a type of anxiety disorder. It can occur after you've seen or experienced a traumatic event that involved the threat of injury or death.</i><br>People develop PTSD as well.. "PTSD can occur at any age and can follow a natural disaster such as <b>a flood or fire, or events such as war, a prison stay, assault, domestic abuse, or rape</b>. The <b>terrorist attacks</b> of September 11, 2001, in the United States may have caused PTSD in some people who were involved, in people who saw the disaster, and in people who lost relatives and friends. These kinds of events can produce stress in anyone, but not everyone develops PTSD."<br>To say "your cat can get stress diseases from looking at birds!" Is extremely insulting to people like me who DO HAVE PTSD because it downplays the whole disorder.<br><br>Also, if you want to link to info about cats and indoor/outdoor, link to reputable websites, not things like eHow or Yahoo Answers or w.e. I'm looking for links like the ASPCA or Humane Society or vet websites.

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