I don't think gay marriage should be allowed because you can't have kids with a female/female or male/male. Male/female pairs are most logical because they can actually reproduce.<br /> <br /> I'm not saying it isn't natural, as I've heard of animals acting homosexual. In my opinion, there was something mentally wrong with thoes animals.

...And yet, you give no reasons WHY you don't support gay marriage. Don't just come into a debate, say you don't support it and leave. Give me one GOOD reason why gay marriage shouldn't be legal.<br /> <br /> And let's point out all the null and void anti-gay marriage reasons:<br /> 1.) Any religious reasons. We have seperation of church and state, which means these are thrown out the window.<br /> 2.) It's unnatural. False. It occurs in nature and many studies show that it is the way that we are born that decides our sexuality.<br /> 3.) It takes away from the sacredness of marriage. Divorce. End of argument.<br /> <br /> Seriously, give me one reason, one good logical reason that gays should be treated as second-class citizens. Why are you, as a presumably straight person, more of a person than me, a bisexual genderqueer? Why is your love more valid than mine? Answer me that. Why are you allowed to marry who you love, but I may not be?

I personally don't think gay marriage should be allowed. This is my opinion, and I understand that you have yours, and it's probably different. I'm not saying I'm going to hate on the LGBT community, so don't act like I am. If you can't handle the fact that my opinion is different than yours, then this thread shouldn't be in the debate forum. There are two sides to every story, and I'm willing to listen to and respect each one of them, regardless of my own opinion. If you can't do the same and are just going to hate me because I don't support gay marriage, then as I've said before, you don't belong in the debate thread. Maybe it'd be better to make a "Show Your Support for Gays" thread.

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<i>"Gays have the same rights as straights do. Don't say that they DON'T have the right to marry, because they do."</i><br /> <br /> I think, earlier in this thread, someone pointed out that gay marriages are only legally entitled to about <i>half</i> of the things that male/female marriages get. People have died in hospitals without their same sex partner because hospitals have refused to acknowledge their partnership and let the other person visit. Some states don't even recognize their marriages at all, so what you said is completely false. Gay marriages are only allowed in six (I think?) states currently. As far as I know, it isn't even federally recognized.<br /> <br /> <i>"There are always going to be two sides to the argument, so why is my side so wrong?"</i><br /> <br /> Well, perhaps it is because you are telling them they don't have any rights based on their sexual orientation. I don't blame them for getting upset, they have just as much right as you or me to be in love with someone of the same sex and marry them. When you say you don't support that, you are basically saying they are lesser of a person than you.<br /> <br /> As for the furry thing, I am a straight female furry myself. If you look at <a href="http://www.klisoura.com/ot_furrysurvey.php">The Furry Survey</a> for 2011, it says that only 12.57% was compeletely homosexual, while 23.07% was compeltely heterosexual. Just because the gay males speak the loudest in the fandom, doesn't mean that's mainly all it is. Keep in mind a lot of females make their characters male just to avoid the downright hate they do get from some of the males in the fandom. I've seen people post female art and get literally FLOODED with "EWW NASTY FEMALE" comments.<br /> <br /> <i>"Some furries are in to "yiff" (sexual relationships with animals.."</i><br /><br /> Uh no, sex with animals is beastiality and that is greatly looked down upon, even hated, by most furries. Yiffing usually just refers to anthromorphic sex, but I guess some people do use it to define sex in general. This is off topic though, so....

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It isn't a choice. At all. When did you choose to be straight? I did not choose to be this way. At all. Also, it is natural. It happens in nature. A lot. Also, you're an idiot for bringing up the whole everyone turning gay thing. 10% of people are gay, based on statistics. And that's how it will stay. That doesn't threaten the human species at all. Also, many animal species are doing great, while partaking in homosexual activities often.<br /> <br /> Also, I have absolutely no respect for you for saying the same right of marriage as everyone else. Effing false. Everyone else can marry who they love. Forcing a gay man to marry a straight women is a horrible idea. I know a gay man who almost let that happen to him. He had proposed, they had a date picked out, etc.

But you <i>are</i> born gay, lesbian, bi, etc. There's pretty definitive proof of this, too.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/060508_lesbian.html">Lesbians respond differently to male pheromones</a>. And that was from '06! It blows my mind that people still ignore that study.

I don't hate LGBT people. I'm just saying it's not what I personally see as "normal". Now am I going to taunt and bully and shun LGBTs? No.<br /> <br /> And to answer your question, a furry can be described in different ways. A furry is generally a person who draws/writes stories about human-like animals. Some of them dress up as these animals and make a new persona for themselves (an animal persona, often called a "fursona"). Some furries are in to "yiff" (sexual relationships with animals and/or animal people). I personally do not believe in "yiffing", but you can believe what you want.

Kira, the way most of our civilization sees each other as "normal" is a basic male/female relationship. Now an LGBT member might see it as normal too, but they might also see male/male or female/female relationships as normal to them. It isn't their fault that they think differently than straight people, it's just the way their brain was wired. Some people who are still in the closet are afraid of being taunted by society, because of the way they think. If our society could accept them, there wouldn't be as much bullying and hate crimes against LGBT's.<br /> <br /> Also, I feel like I haven't been out much, what's a furry?

I wouldn't say that you're "born gay/straight/bi/etc". I think it's more of a complicated choice. I know it's not as simple as choosing to have pizza for dinner, but I still do believe that it is a choice. And I say being gay isn't "normal" because naturally a male and a female partner up to create new life. The whole point (in nature, where I mind you, human beings have come from, just as everythin else) in living is to reproduce and keep your species alive. If everyone was to suddenly turn gay, it would be more difficult (not impossible) for our species to have and raise more of its kind... But if I've put my two cents in and lost this argument then that's fine. I don't want to get anyone off topic or get anyone started flaming, so fine. You're right and I'm wrong.<br /> And if it's perfectly fine to spread "gay pride" everywhere, but as soon as someone says that they disagree, everyone is turning their backs on them, I ask why. There are always going to be two sides to the argument, so why is my side so wrong? Gays have the same rights as straights do. Don't say that they DON'T have the right to marry, because they do. They have the same right to marry just like everyone else does. They have the right to marry into a male/female relationship. And I understand that it's not the same, but I was just trying to point that out.

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First off, what is abnormal about being gay? Nothing. You are born that way and it is natural. Also, saying that most furries are gay males is a horrible stereotype that has no bearing on this argument.