100% for gay marriage. And, I believe that New York is one vote closer to legalizing it. Did a huge debate on it and besides the religious views, one can't come out with a good con for gay marraige.. On top of that, most cons are either prejudice or make absolutely no sense. My favorite is when people says that children need a "normal" family with a father and mother. But believe it or not, most families are becoming split families because of divorce/death in one way or another. Therefore, does that mean single parents can't take care of kids?<br /> <br />

according to the government, Yes. the government is selfish, won't give if it doesn't think it will recieve. if you will not give them a taxpaying baby then they don't want to give you tax discounts. that's what they want not what i want, of course.

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"dont let gay couples or childless couples (homo or hetero sexual) get tax discounts"<br /> <br /> I'm glad you support gay marriage, but that is a load of bull. I don't plan on having kids, whether I marry a girl or a guy. Does that mean I shouldn't have tax benefits? Besides the fact that this isn't what this debate is about, it's still a little unnerving to hear that.

so i thought about and i was like what is the governments reason for saying no to gay marriage; and this is what i found.<br /> <br /> ***i do NOT believe/support in the following, i am 100% for gay marriage****<br /> <br /> '...an anonomous politition against gay marriage states, "Marriage is a lot of things, including a discount on taxes. IRS discounts married [heterosexual] couples because they are likely to bring another tax payer into this world. I'm not saying all straight married couples have children, but the odds of straight couples having children are more than gay couples having children. And majority is against gays adopting. Our hands are tied."' <br /> <br /> so it's a money ishue. my response is change the law and dont let gay couples or childless couples (homo or hetero sexual) get tax discounts. but apparently that's trying to change Two laws and our government is afraid of hard work. please keep in mind i don't support what that politics guy said, it's bull.

Straight? You have the right to marry.<br /> <br /> Black? You have the right to marry.<br /> <br /> Not civilized? You have the right to marry. <br /> <br /> Related? You have the right to marry.<br /> <br /> Gay? No, you cannot marry.<br /> <br /> Asking for marriage rights is not a special right. <br /> <br /> It's a right that's given to ALL humanity. <br /> <br /> I dislike when people make marriage sound like it's a very special right. <br /> <br /> Yes, yes, yes, I know, it's very special. No sarcasm intended there.<br /> <br /> What I mean by special is when people think that only certain people should marry. It's not a right people can keep from others because they're different. <br /> <br /> When people argue that homosexuals don't have the right to marry, I see it is as discrimination. <br /> <br /> It's as bad as going to a black couple and saying they can't marry because they're black and slaves.<br /> <br /> Discrimination is discrimination. <br /> <br /> I can pull articles and articles from the depths of the internet to support. <br /> <br /> And also, I really love my girlfriend, Kaitie, who I plan to spend the rest of my life with. And when I see people lifting marriage out of our hands because we love each other, I feel insulted and violated because I'm being reduced to where I'm having a right stolen from me. <br /> <br /> A right that's given to humanity in the 14th amendment in the United States of America. <br /> <br /> But, hey, times are changing, and people are opening up, I'm glad that they're seeing that love between the same-sex should be recognized and supported. =]

*Cervine, it was originally narrowed because Shay was writing a paper on that specific topic. Her paper is now over so I don't think she'd mind if we opened it a bit more? =)<br /> <br /> Shay already knows my stance~<br /> <br /> I see nothing wrong with same-sex marriage. It's not like denying same-sex marriage will stop people from wanting to be with the person they love. It will not get rid of all the same-sex couples that wish to be together. The only thing it will do is give benefits to a couple that love each other as much as any straight couple can. People should be able to be united with who they love. <br /> <br /> For adoption, again I see nothing wrong with this. People adopt for many different reasons like infertility or medical reasons that allow them to not have children. Same-sex couples are like those people. They can't have children of their own and some would like to be a family. Adopting would give homes to the many children that are lacking families. Some people argue that two parents of the same sex would leave children without a father figure or mother figure but what about single parents? Some kids don't have parents at all and live with other family members. I'm sure if you asked around, most of the children just want a family, stability, and love. Why deny a bunch of couples that are willing to recognize their dreams?<br /> <br /> I am going to go off on another topic related to gay rights. I think some people go about it all the wrong way. I have my darling girlfriend Shay that I love with all my heart but I am not in any ways an activist. I want to just be able to enjoy my life with her like anyone else. Some people make it seem like same-sex couples should get special treatment but they shouldn't. We are are equal, even the struggling minorities. I'm not going to yell at someone who thinks that same-sex couples shouldn't be together. I'm not going to call them names. I'm going to respect their thoughts if they can express them in a decent way. If someone says "I don't believe in same-sex couples because God says it's wrong." That is fine with me. I can agree to disagree. It's when people use their beliefs to belittle people and make them seem like a lesser person than them. <br /> <br /> Thanks for reviving this Cervine~

I'm bumping this up, cause I'd love to see this debate renewed. I love debating this. Also, I'd like to see it extended a bit. I know the topic title is just gay marriage, but I'd like to see some discussion on things like gay adoption and the like as well, if that's alright. It would give it a little more fuel at least.<br /> <br /> So, just to restate my position to make this post relevant: I am completely pro-gay rights. There is nothing wrong with being gay, and I have never come across any good arguments against gay rights at all. I am bisexual, so this is a personal issue to me, and I can tell you first hand that it is not a choice.<br /> <br /> So, continue?:3

vitrous, actually there are multiple stories of virgin daughters being given up as to avoid gay sex. isn't the Bible just Fun? And oh no! i love shrimp!!! XD Ice Wolf, i wish you would actually read the bible and decide for yourself rather than to get advice from your teacher. back then, gay people acted nothing like they do now. you have to understand everyone, that those rules were made for a certian time period. things have changed. back then it was ok to do a lot of immoral things. frankly i LOVE osodesol's post entirely. religion should be 1000% seperate from government. and i love canada!!! what i think is wrong, is we talk about God in our pledge of aligence, expect not everyone believes in that God. how can then let that go by so easily??????

uhm, being a lesbian, as well as almost every other societal minority, I believe in human rights. which include the right to choice, life, and freedom. whether or not YOU agree with homosexuality shouldn't matter when it comes to marriage, human rights, and equality. As someone said previously, religion and the state are seperate (or are supposed to be). How can one say that certain human beings should not have certain rights because of who they are? That's like saying blacks shouldn't marry, or those that are disabled shouldn't be allowed at school, like - that's ridiculous.<br /> <br /> I don't care if you're gay, straight, mentally insane, religious, caucasian, bulgarian whatever. The choice of whether I marry or not is not your choice. It's mine.<br /> <br /> Not to mention,<br /> I'm not sure what the whole fuss is about, seeing as there is a hugeee divorce rate... which is also "agaisn't God".. is it not? I need to brush up on my bible a bit. I'm just tireddddd of this topic. Just let people live and get out of their bed if you don't dig that they've got the same junk.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thank baby Jesus I live in Canada.

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"I'm not saying that I only pay attention to the part about gays. "<br /> Ohh! No, I wasn't saying "you" as in you, Ice Wolf. I was saying you in reference to fundamentalist Christians who think that because it stated it in the bible, it's a sin, but other stuff from the same book somehow doesn't apply. Selective rule following. :P It wasn't directed at you.

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