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Shay
#43 • 40612 views
Posted: 2011-04-18 20:40:47
#7343
Same-sex Marriage/Adoption/Lifestyle (expanded)
Should same-sex couples and families have the right to be joined in marriage with its benefits, or be contained within civil unions? Are the rights in civil unions adequate enough for dedicated partnerships or families to support on or not?
Should civil unions be allowed at all?
I want to bring up this debate as I am doing serious research paper required for the end of the year about ‘Social Justice’ and would like to see all sides of the spectrum.
Please, give posts with meaning than just putting ‘Yes! All the way!’ or ‘No! It’s wrong!’. Thank you.
Has been expanded!
Edit: Expanded to include same-sex lifestyle/adoption/marriage.
So, basically you're saying screw all gay men, their love isn't as equal or important as yours? Don't try to correct me, because that is basically what you are saying.<br /> <br /> Also, genderqueer:<br /> "Genderqueer (GQ) and intergender are catch-all terms for gender identities other than man and woman. People who identify as genderqueer may think of themselves as being both man and woman, as being neither man nor woman, or as falling completely outside the gender binary."<br /> <br /> I identify as genderqueer in the sense that I fall completely outside the gender binary. There's a reason I identified as trans for a while. Because I would feel so much more comfortable as a male than I do as a female. But I'm not going to transition, and I do have occasional times where I feel like the term "female" fits my identity, but I usually use the term "masculine genderqueer" because it fits me better, but that's a different story.
Riff
#45631 • 2011-07-07 07:21:52
#45631
"...don't actually identify as that..."<br /> No, they would also have to identify as female. I said so in my last post.<br /> <br /> If they phisically and mentally are female and they marry a male, it qualifies as a male/female relationship.
Also, so you're saying that all gay men have to do is have transition surgery to become female, even though they don't actually identify as that? Really? Wow. That's just horrible.
Ly {Bisexual and genderqueer~}
#45628 • 2011-07-07 07:18:57
#45628
"All I know is that there are three genders/sexes: male, female, and herm."<br /> <br /> ....Get a dictionary! Seriously. Please and thank you. Would save us all a lot of trouble. And not all trans men/women transition. There is a difference between sex and gender.
Riff
#45627 • 2011-07-07 07:17:19
#45627
"I haven't had transition surgery."<br /> <br /> If you haven't had the transition surgery, then what qualifies you as a trans man?<br /> <br /> All I know is that there are three genders/sexes: male, female, and herm. If you have a transition surgery and you identify with the same gender that belongs to your body, then you should be able to marry the oposite sex.<br /> <br /> Example. A gay man has a transition surgery and his sex is now female. He (now she) also identifies as female. She can now marry the man she loved even when she was a male. Or she can chose to marry any man she wants to.
GeistNoir
#45626 • 2011-07-07 07:09:35
#45626
I haven't had transition surgery.
Ly {Bisexual and genderqueer~}
#45625 • 2011-07-07 07:09:20
#45625
Wow. You don't have a clear understanding of gender then. What you just described was sex. My sex is female. My gender is genderqueer. (Also, google is your friend in these situations.) There is a difference between the two. Sex is the physical construct. Gender is the mental one.
Riff
#45624 • 2011-07-07 07:07:02
#45624
"Actually, that makes me curious. I identify as genderqueer. Used to identify as trans (god I hate gender identity sometimes.>.>), what about me then? I don't identify as a specific gender. Am I not allowed to marry anyone at all then?"<br /> <br /> I'm not even sure I know what a "gender queer" is. You are what you were born to be unless you have a transition surgery.
Ly {Bisexual and genderqueer~}
#45623 • 2011-07-07 07:04:00
#45623
Actually, that makes me curious. I identify as genderqueer. Used to identify as trans (god I hate gender identity sometimes.>.>), what about me then? I don't identify as a specific gender. Am I not allowed to marry anyone at all then?
GeistNoir
#45619 • 2011-07-07 06:57:51
#45619
Those are honestly the replies I expected. <br /> <br /> You can't just let me slide through the gate because I live and identify as male and then slam it in the face of everyone else because you don't approve of their way of life and how <b>they</b> identify. My personal identification runs just as deep as theirs does- they can't stop loving the people they do anymore than I can stop identifying as a man. Or as much as I can stop myself from caring for both males and females- I am bisexual, too, after all. I have absolutely no gender-barrier for my affections, and I've been this way all my life. <br /> <br /> I don't even want to be married in a church, I have no religion, so it isn't a matter of that. Christianity does not own the concept of marriage, it existed before that religion was even born. We've proven that reproduction is as flimsy an argument as a piece of tissue paper. We've also proven that male/female parent couples hold about as much weight. So, what has it been reduced to? How much it grosses you out personally? That's all I'm seeing this being reduced to.. And all I'm really seeing from you, now that every one of your arguments have been torn to shreds.<br><br>