&quot;It's a figment of the imagination.&quot;<br /><br />...Uh, again. It would REALLY help the arguement if I could see proof for creationism, rather than against evolution. Because so far the only proof for creationism is something written down by some old guys a few thousand years ago. ..Not the best evidence.

<i>No. Because they aren't in the same habitat. They don't live together and can't interbreed in nature, for one thing. For another, ligers and tigons don't have full DNA structures. They are born much more susceptible to diseases than tigers or lions alone. Therefore, they survive worse. Therefore, tigers and lions wouldn't interbreed in nature. Because it wouldn't help their species at all. Which is the point of evolution; natural selection and the creation of a better generation.</i><br /><br />I love how this keeps coming up again and again. Interbreeding within a species -can- occur. It happens. But it doesn't prove evolution. Evolution claims that man evolved from an ape, which are -two- different species. Nowhere in nature have we -ever- seen one species turn into another. It's a figment of the imagination.

So, for as much "proof" there has been posted for evolutionism being wrong, there still isn't any proof that creationism is right. There just isn't any. Because it was written down on a piece of paper, by a human. That is what the belief in creationism comes from--a piece of paper. (Which is why I have so many issues with religion, but.)<br /><br />Evolution, at least, has its roots in science.<br /><br />Now, I personally believe in evolution, but I also think there's a lot still to learn about it, stuff that could potentially change everything we know. I'd likely be one of the people who believes in creationism and evolutionism, except I don't believe in a god.<br /><br />Anyway. Watching the posted video right now. So far it's very much circular logic, and nonsensical arguments.

"Before I go on, could you read what you just said? =3=<br />What are people in general doing to help then?<br />If we're that horrible, why aren't others doing anything?"<br /><br />Read it. I don't see what you're getting at. I never said people who aren't spreading the "good news" are great either. I'm just asking why those spreading the "good news" deserve a better life. Honestly, most people are horrible BECAUSE they don't help the rest of society. And spreading so called "good news" doesn't really help. Honestly, I would do something to help. If I had money. If I could help, I would. And it isn't because some book tells me to, or because I want to spread my "good news."<br /><br />"Actually, I was about to ask something of a close subject. If, for many generations, lions and tigers interbreed with each other, will they become 'extinct' and 'evolve' into ligers/tigons?"<br /><br />No. Because they aren't in the same habitat. They don't live together and can't interbreed in nature, for one thing. For another, ligers and tigons don't have full DNA structures. They are born much more susceptible to diseases than tigers or lions alone. Therefore, they survive worse. Therefore, tigers and lions wouldn't interbreed in nature. Because it wouldn't help their species at all. Which is the point of evolution; natural selection and the creation of a better generation.

For some people who say "There is no solid proof to evolution" I'd like to know some solid proof to "Creation" my self them xD

<i>-nod- So the environment is what made us 'different from other species'? If we live for many generations in, let's say, the rain forest you've mentioned, we should evolve into something else, yes?</i><br /><br />To go off of what Euphony said, there actually -are- people who live in the rain forests. They live in the jungles of Africa. Yet they haven't evolved into apes, and the apes that live there haven't evolved into humans.<br /><br /><i>There were other species of 'hominids', much like humans. They are all extinct. Nothing else could evolve into humans, because they are a different species (you might as well ask why lions haven't evolved into tigers), but they were close enough.<br /><br />For instance, I'm sure you've heard of the Neanderthals. They were significantly different to modern humans, and they evolved to adapt to the cold climate of Europe. They are extinct, and it's commonly thought it's because Homo Sapiens (that's us) moved in on their territory, or because they couldn't cope with the changing climate.</i><br /><br />Dae hits it right on the nail by saying humans and primates are a different species. I agree. Nothing has, and nothing will, evolve into a human. It's not possible, and it can't happen. Macro-Evolution cannot happen, and it's never been observed in nature.<br /><br />Also, Neanderthals were proven a hoax a long time ago. They never existed.

"<i>-nod- So the environment is what made us 'different from other species'? If we live for many generations in, let's say, the rain forest you've mentioned, we should evolve into something else, yes?</i>"<br /><br />That would require natural selection, but humans have for the most part stepped outside of nature and NS because we fight for our weak and everyone ends up breeding. But if you look at the human species, if you look at the cultures where inter racial breeding hasn't happened, there are big differences, essentially sub species, like Siberian Tigers and Bengal Tigers, or Red Wolves and Artic, or Asian Elephants and African.

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The only difference between macro-evolution and micro-evolution is time. Those tiny changes add up.

For those of you who believe in evolution, I would challenge you to watch this video:<br /><br />http://freehovind.com/watch-4308235066145651150<br /><br />Bare in mind, the speaker -does- come from a Christian perspective, but it doesn't hinder him from proving evolution is false with <i>scientific</i> facts that modern scientists would say are accurate.<br /><br />With that said, I do believe in Creation.<br /><br />Now, the Geologic Column is a piece of science that many evolutionists would say prove evolution. For those of you who don't know what the Geologic Column is, it is a column of layers of earth that represent the earth's crust. Each layer is a certain number of millions of years, and each layer is dated by the fossils and bones found there. But also, each fossil and bone found in a layer dates that layer. Isn't that circular reasoning? The fossil dates the layer, and the layer dates the fossil.<br /><br />If that doesn't convince you that the Geologic Column is a hoax, there are pictures of trees standing upright in those layers of earth. Now, we all know that trees -do- take a long time to grow, but not millions of years.<br /><br />Carbon dating and other methods of dating fossils have been proven faulty over and over again. And as far as I know, no one has ever found a bone that says, "I'm 16 billion years old." It won't happen. I'm being sarcastic in that sense, but it's to illustrate that fossils cannot and will not prove evolution is true. I need more evidence than that.<br /><br />Now, going off of the video I've posted (because some of you may not want to see the whole thing), there are six different types of evolution.<br /><br />1. Cosmic Evolution - origin of time, space, matter, i.e. Big Bang<br />2. Chemical Evolution - origin of elements from hydrogen<br />3. Stellar & Planetary Evolution - origin of stars and planets<br />4. Organic Evolution - origin of life<br />5. Macro-Evolution - evolving from one kind into another<br />6. Micro-Evolution - evolution within a kind<br /><br />The only evolution ever observed in nature is Micro-Evolution. I don't doubt that there is evolution within a species. It's possible. BUT. You will only get -that- same species. A dog produces a dog. A dog cannot produce a cat. Yet evolutionists argue that Micro-Evolution proves evolution is true, when it does not. Man supposedly evolved from ape to human, which are two different kinds. And may I say, humans are -not- animals. But that's a different topic.<br /><br />Now, as Dae said, humans only evolved to meet their current needs. Only when they had to adapt. What I find curious is why we still haven't found bones from "the missing link." We've heard of all sorts of missing links, but none are accurate, and all are hoaxes. Anyone can pick up a bone and say they found the missing link. But do you realize that we have never found a whole skeleton? All pictures you see are artists' conceptions.<br /><br />Now, you've all seen the picture of the different kinds of fetuses, right? It's in your high school textbook. Did you know that the man who drew that -knew- he was lying? Did you know the university he worked for called him a fake and and a fraud? He -knew- the picture he drew was false. That picture does -not- prove evolution is true.<br /><br />Why is it that no one can actually estimate when the Big Bang happened? It's between millions and billions of years. That's a big margin of error.<br /><br />No one agrees on how the Big Bang actually happened. Some argree that it was a soup-like mixture that swirled and swirled around, until all of a sudden, it exploded, and here we are today. Have you ever heard of the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum? This is a law of physics. It states that when anything is spinning in a certain direction (say clockwise), anything that flies off of it will spin in the same direction. So if the Big Bang happened, why is Uranus spinning vertically? And why is Venus spinning backwards? All other planets are spinning counter-clockwise, yet Venus is spinning clockwise. And did you know that 8 out of the 91 moons that we know of are spinning clockwise as well? Doesn't give much wiggle room for the evolution theory.<br /><br />Now I know all of you have your own beliefs on -exactly- how we all came to be. No one will ever 100% agree. But let me leave you with this: Those of us who believe in Creation, agree with each other 100%. Let me also say that both evolution and Creation are just <i>theories</i>. Neither one can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's which theory has more scientific evidence to back it up. And I don't believe the evolution theory has more evidence.<br /><br />I do challenge you to watch the video above, even those of you who believe in Creation. It's a challenge for all of us. If you'd like more information, more evidence that evolution is false, send me a PM. I have a wealth of information to offer. For sake of space, and for the sake of your sanity, after having to read all of this (and kudos to those of you who did), I can't share everything I know.<br /><br />But even if we disagree, let's not let it ruin our friendship. We can agree to disagree. :)